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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 13:43:21 GMT
Maybe it could have been handled a little better but they were within their rights to tell the health dept and police to leave.
To paraphrase Ben Franklin, “Those who would give up liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety.”
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Post by joebill on Nov 25, 2020 23:06:21 GMT
Notice nobody was willing to leave until the citizens proclaimed it to be a BLM protest and began acting like it was?
I do not like a lot of things that happen, and I would have done almost anything but scream in people's faces, some of them a lot worse, but I betcha I would have gotten them out of there one way or another.
That says a lot for never being unarmed. You do not have to draw it for it to be effective....Joe
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Post by joebill on Nov 26, 2020 1:52:30 GMT
Gotta wonder what the long term effects would be of a citizen's arrest on a cop for trespassing... Glad I nave never had to find out so far, but it is an option, and if they gave me a good thumping, I guess I would add resisting to the charges. I gotta agree it was ugly, but not as ugly as cops and health inspectors starting to think they can charge into a private residence in which NO emergency situation exists and intimidate citizens without arresting them as though they were busting school children for smoking in the boy's room during school hours. That kind of behavior has GOT to be nipped in the bud. Years ago, I read an account of how people lived in communist China, and that is pretty much exactly how it is done. HUGE apartment buildings, chock full of people with a POLITICAL OFFICER on each floor that can walk into your home at any hour of the day or night and check to see who all is there and if you are maybe maintaining acquaintances that are out of favor with the state, or perhaps have entered into a non-approved pregnancy that must be terminated. If one of the occupants happens to die or move away, then you are taking up more space than you have a right to and must move to a smaller space....OR, if they are convinced you are up to something but they are not quite sure what it is, you can be scheduled for a few months or years of re-education, with NO chance to speak for yourself. My friend Yuri was a czech, and his Dad figured out how to make washing machines from surplus culverts and other junk and sell them to neighbors, but was soon imprisoned for "profiting on the backs of the working class" If you are made to suffer outrage, you had best react in outrageous ways before you lose the ability to react at all. It ain't gonna get any better by itself.....Joe
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Post by blackfeather on Nov 26, 2020 16:57:03 GMT
They sent the guy a $15,000 dollar fine. Now there is a go-fund me page where he can fight the fine in court. Since these rules are by dictatorial mandate not passed by a legislature I can't see them being up held once they get to a federal court, this State's courts have too many democrat judges. Cuomo just got knocked down at the Federal level with his no churches opened rule, that is a violation of the Constitution.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 17:31:39 GMT
They sent the guy a $15,000 dollar fine. Now there is a go-fund me page where he can fight the fine in court. Since these rules are by dictatorial mandate not passed by a legislature I can't see them being up held once they get to a federal court, this State's courts have too many democrat judges. Cuomo just got knocked down at the Federal level with his no churches opened rule, that is a violation of the Constitution. blackfeather, do you have a link to the GoFundMe?
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Post by sawmilljim on Nov 26, 2020 18:05:42 GMT
The guy should have a criminal trespass warrant served on those that refused to leave when told to do so.
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