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Post by fordy on Dec 30, 2020 1:43:45 GMT
I'm glad your SIL survived, but I can't understand why ANYONE who had caught and survived a virus would EVER take a vaccine for that virus. Hopefully they will yank the medical licenses of the doctors who prescribe it for those cases.
.............Because the MUTATIONS , supposedly , maybe , covered by the current available group of vaccines ! , fordy
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Post by farmrbrown on Dec 30, 2020 4:12:18 GMT
I'm glad your SIL survived, but I can't understand why ANYONE who had caught and survived a virus would EVER take a vaccine for that virus. Hopefully they will yank the medical licenses of the doctors who prescribe it for those cases.
.............Because the MUTATIONS , supposedly , maybe , covered by the current available group of vaccines ! , fordy
Nope. There are several solid scientific reasons why that wouldn't be a good explanation.
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Post by daw on Dec 30, 2020 13:36:09 GMT
Why do we think we shall ever overcome this Covid thing and everything else CCP throws at us if we continue buying products and especially masks from them? They made inferior masks for that reason. Their own people have worn the masks and have not survived the second wave because if they were positive they disappeared. If the masks did not prevent them they will not prevent here! I am not saying not to wear but why not have American made masks of American made/grown material. I am bound to believe there are still American business people that do not need China products to make a living.
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Post by Jolly on Dec 30, 2020 14:39:17 GMT
3M still makes masks here. The quality is superior, but the cost is higher.
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Post by daw on Dec 30, 2020 15:26:54 GMT
They apparently are not totally American made.
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Post by Jolly on Dec 30, 2020 23:06:37 GMT
AFAIK, the 8511 and the 8210 are 100% American made. What do you know that I may have missed?
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Post by fixitguy on Dec 30, 2020 23:29:28 GMT
The state of Minnesota and/or a hospital ordered 3M N95 masks from china. They had 3M come and inspect the authenticity and they were all counterfeits.
Remember when Pence came to Minnesota for the dog and pony show at the start of this pandemic? Well, 3M shut down production of N95 masks for a few days. They changed the warning label on the packaging and added, The mask does not prevent the spread of covid-19
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Post by farmrbrown on Dec 31, 2020 0:04:01 GMT
The state of Minnesota and/or a hospital ordered 3M N95 masks from china. They had 3M come and inspect the authenticity and they were all counterfeits. Remember when Pence came to Minnesota for the dog and pony show at the start of this pandemic? Well, 3M shut down production of N95 masks for a few days. They changed the warning label on the packaging and added, The mask does not prevent the spread of covid-19 According to later reports, there were counterfeit 3M masks being sold at that time that probably WERE made in China. www.theverge.com/2020/6/9/21285364/amazon-marketplace-mask-price-gouging-n95-3m-ppe
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Post by fixitguy on Dec 31, 2020 0:20:04 GMT
The state of Minnesota and/or a hospital ordered 3M N95 masks from china. They had 3M come and inspect the authenticity and they were all counterfeits. Remember when Pence came to Minnesota for the dog and pony show at the start of this pandemic? Well, 3M shut down production of N95 masks for a few days. They changed the warning label on the packaging and added, The mask does not prevent the spread of covid-19 According to later reports, there were counterfeit 3M masks being sold at that time that probably WERE made in China. www.theverge.com/2020/6/9/21285364/amazon-marketplace-mask-price-gouging-n95-3m-ppeIt just happened again a week or so ago. 3M took possession of the fakes. It made the local news with the big dogs and Timmy Walz in a presser. My SIL is a lower ranking executive at 3M at the main campus, I'll get the scoop on what really went down.
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Post by farmrbrown on Dec 31, 2020 0:57:19 GMT
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Post by fixitguy on Dec 31, 2020 2:54:25 GMT
Yep, that's what prompted the first visit from pence. My SIL was not in that building on the day he attended, but it was more or less a photo op for the news media. I would wager to guess the presser on the fake masks was another dog and pony show for the news media. Apparently the winds of change are turning on his lockdown of bar's and restaurant's. Lawyers are ramping up lawsuits, one state rep. was getting 3 phone calls per minute. People are starting to come unhinged, quickly..........
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Post by Jolly on Dec 31, 2020 2:57:05 GMT
It's an interesting medical ethics question; Who lives and who dies?
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Dec 31, 2020 12:44:01 GMT
Jolly , I don't think it's a medical ethics question at all, Trump was elected President of the USA, and his first responsibility is to its people. On the assumption the masks are effective in slowing the spread, and there are a finite number of masks, how can a political leader in this country say Americans should do without while people in foreign countries should have them instead? Sort of emptying your pantries to feed strangers and letting your own children go hungry.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 13:04:59 GMT
Jolly , I don't think it's a medical ethics question at all, Trump was elected President of the USA, and his first responsibility is to its people. On the assumption the masks are effective in slowing the spread, and there are a finite number of masks, how can a political leader in this country say Americans should do without while people in foreign countries should have them instead? Sort of emptying your pantries to feed strangers and letting your own children go hungry. Kind of like the recent recovery/stimulus bill...
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Post by farmrbrown on Dec 31, 2020 16:55:13 GMT
Jolly , I don't think it's a medical ethics question at all, Trump was elected President of the USA, and his first responsibility is to its people. On the assumption the masks are effective in slowing the spread, and there are a finite number of masks, how can a political leader in this country say Americans should do without while people in foreign countries should have them instead? Sort of emptying your pantries to feed strangers and letting your own children go hungry. Or shutting down international travel temporarily, the way China's neighbors have done and seem to have minimal deaths. Remember what happened when Trump tried that?
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