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Post by Ozarks Tom on Oct 21, 2015 14:49:54 GMT
I've always like Paul Ryan as an individual, great work ethic, family man, plain spoken, but his policy choices have always seemed more progressive than conservative. Now he's asking for (demanding) support from all Republican House groups before he'll take the job as Speaker. If the conservatives give that support, they'll have lost all credibility with their constituencies, especially on immigration. I don't see how they could double cross their own voters and still hold their heads up. A short excerpt from an article: Among his purported apostasies are support for the Troubled Asset Relief Program during the 2008 economic crisis, brokering a spending deal with Democrats in 2013 and — most crucially — being a leading Republican proponent of immigration reform packages that would give illegal immigrants a path to legal status.
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ryan-nears-decision-on-speakers-race-as-congress-returns/2015/10/20/b0e4998c-7687-11e5-bc80-9091021aeb69_story.html
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Post by olpoop on Oct 21, 2015 15:43:55 GMT
I think it’s a smart move on Paul Ryan’s part. He’s seeing if he can fix the divided group before he even takes the job. If it doesn’t look like it can be fixed, why take the job?
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Post by paisley on Oct 21, 2015 16:11:28 GMT
I am on the fence..his positions are very important...I am going over his voting record..and he strays a bit. He is smart I give him that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 18:16:12 GMT
I've always like Paul Ryan as an individual, great work ethic, family man, plain spoken, but his policy choices have always seemed more progressive than conservative. Now he's asking for (demanding) support from all Republican House groups before he'll take the job as Speaker. If the conservatives give that support, they'll have lost all credibility with their constituencies, especially on immigration. I don't see how they could double cross their own voters and still hold their heads up.
Um... OT? I don't see how most of them have any credibility as it is. Plenty of opportunities to actually represent their constituencies, but never followed through. |
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Post by paisley on Oct 21, 2015 18:38:55 GMT
Maybe a dark horse... Ryan voting record is not good from my stance. Lee is one who's name is really. Never mention, I like his voting record better.
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Oct 21, 2015 19:31:59 GMT
I've always like Paul Ryan as an individual, great work ethic, family man, plain spoken, but his policy choices have always seemed more progressive than conservative. Now he's asking for (demanding) support from all Republican House groups before he'll take the job as Speaker. If the conservatives give that support, they'll have lost all credibility with their constituencies, especially on immigration. I don't see how they could double cross their own voters and still hold their heads up.
Um... OT? I don't see how most of them have any credibility as it is. Plenty of opportunities to actually represent their constituencies, but never followed through. I was referring to the 40 or so Representative who were responsible for Boehner getting the boot. If they cave in the name of "unity", then they might as well have kept Boehner. I agree, the majority of Representatives have been lap dogs for the leadership. Those 40 campaigned hard on changing things and have been stifled for these past 5 years, I don't see them giving up now that they've got leadership's attention. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 19:54:19 GMT
Um... OT? I don't see how most of them have any credibility as it is. Plenty of opportunities to actually represent their constituencies, but never followed through. I was referring to the 40 or so Representative who were responsible for Boehner getting the boot. If they cave in the name of "unity", then they might as well have kept Boehner. I agree, the majority of Representatives have been lap dogs for the leadership. Those 40 campaigned hard on changing things and have been stifled for these past 5 years, I don't see them giving up now that they've got leadership's attention. Gotcha, and agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 20:00:19 GMT
I was quite relieved when McCarthy removed himself. So what sort of leader do you want to see there: A centrist to unite them, or an institutionalist who always follows the rules? Me, I'd like a Constitutionalist Institutionalist Centrist.  |
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Oct 21, 2015 20:04:09 GMT
I was quite relieved when McCarthy removed himself. So what sort of leader do you want to see there: A centrist to unite them, or an institutionalist who always follows the rules? Me, I'd like a Constitutionalist Institutionalist Centrist. Don't want much, do ya? I agree McCarthy wouldn't have been any improvement at all. Personally, I like Jason Chaffetz. I wish Louie Gohmert would run, but he's said he wouldn't. |
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Post by Wanderer0101 on Oct 21, 2015 20:11:23 GMT
Real politics is the art of the possible. I don't agree with Ryan on everything but I think maybe he's a guy that can make things work and right now I believe we need that. If the Republican Congress is dysfunctional at election time it won't be good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 20:16:33 GMT
I was quite relieved when McCarthy removed himself. So what sort of leader do you want to see there: A centrist to unite them, or an institutionalist who always follows the rules? Me, I'd like a Constitutionalist Institutionalist Centrist.
And I haven't seen much of them around lately.
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Post by paisley on Oct 21, 2015 22:35:47 GMT
Louie I would support.... there are out the.... they just have hand their hands tied
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Post by poppy on Oct 21, 2015 23:47:59 GMT
I thought Ryan was good when he was on the spending cut kick. He was up on the stats and is a smart guy. However, like Boehner, he seems too willing to cave and surrender to the dems. It's a messy process right now but the Republican leaders will either have to learn to stop ignoring and work with conservatives in the House or else the conservatives will be pushed to the side. It's no different than coalition governments we see in many foreign countries. Agreements can be reached allowing both sides some of what they want.
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Post by paisley on Oct 21, 2015 23:50:55 GMT
I thought Ryan was good when he was on the spending cut kick. He was up on the stats and is a smart guy. However, like Boehner, he seems too willing to cave and surrender to the dems. It's a messy process right now but the Republican leaders will either have to learn to stop ignoring and work with conservatives in the House or else the conservatives will be pushed to the side. It's no different than coalition governments we see in many foreign countries. Agreements can be reached allowing both sides some of what they want. Realistic that's my feelings |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 15:16:55 GMT
I saw an article that reported Luis Gutierrez supports Ryan.
Still have a bad taste from good ol' Luis from back in the day in Chicago. Don't like him, don't trust him. Not sure how that plays out in the immigration reform thing, and don't know if they ever introduced the legislation they were talking about, but still.
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