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Post by Ozarks Tom on Mar 7, 2023 0:17:38 GMT
I'll brag (knock on wood) that the Suburban passed 300,000 miles some time ago, and the Silverado passed 200,000 about the same time. My pass/fail test is if I spend more in repairs per year than making car payments, I'll get another vehicle. Both the Suburban and the Silverado are '02. The Suburban has some rust, and the front cap's clear coat is peeling, but I look at those deficiencies as insurance. Nobody is going to carjack and old rusty car.
Now, the Bronco is a different matter. Had it EMP proofed, which required a different older motor with no computers, but for years I'd noticed the transmission didn't seem "quite right". Finally gave up, and a rebuilt cost $4,200!! I remember having a rebuilt transmission put in a '89 Chevy for $1,800 about 30 years ago. Obviously inflation has been creeping up on us for a very long time.
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Post by farmrbrown on Mar 7, 2023 0:50:38 GMT
Yeah, I'll have to admit I was never in the tranny business and do not really know the numbers of trannys letting the magic smoke out and dying, but I DO know that the life expectancy of a gas engine back in the 50's and 60's was not much past 100K without at least an in-frame overhaul which was often only good for another 24000 miles. Now most cars top 200K without major ENGINE trouble, most trucks top 300K ditto. Lots of things involved, like better filters, better oil, fuel injection eliminates flooding which dilutes oil, especially in cars that never get fully warmed up.In the paper these days, they are selling chevy small blocks in cars with 100K on them and calling them LOW MILES....and they are right....Joe I was wondering about that statement when you said it, because all the stats I've seen say otherwise, but I found this link just now with the same thing almost verbatim. I never really checked up on the credibility of J.D. Power before....but now I don't have to, lol. www.jdpower.com/cars/shopping-guides/how-many-miles-are-too-many-for-a-used-carYou'll notice in multiple links below that "most" is actually 1% - 3% that make it 200,000 or more. When I checked out the one link claiming 18% for a 2022 Toyota, the "study" wasn't true documentation but POTENTIAL mileage. (I thought it would have been really hard to drive a new car THAT many miles....then I realized they didn't, lol. Just car salesmen BS) www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=percentage+of+vehicles+over+200%2C000+miles&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8These are the guys making the claims about 2022 cars lasting 200,000 miles that other people are quoting from. www.carpro.com/blog/iseecars-which-vehicles-are-most-likely-to-make-200000-mileswww.iseecars.com/car-lifespan-study
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Post by joebill on Mar 7, 2023 13:16:51 GMT
I make those statements based upon "empirical evidence", as in my observations and experience, for instance Tom's fleet and many others I am familiar with. Of course, one would need the definition of when a car or truck had wheezed it's last, NOT just when it's original owner had sold or junked it. LOTS of vehicles go to the junk yard or get sold used simply because the owner gets sick of dealing with the issues, mine being good examples. I recently sold my old PT Cruiser, bought it a few years ago for $2500 when it had 80K on the odometer, ran like a striped tiger all of the time I had it, but ran through some kind of a big bug hatch that plugged up the AC condenser, caused no end of AC problems I had no time to deal with and did not trust any local AC guy. Sold it to a guy who could care less about AC for $2000....and it was running perfect and still is. Original owner had replaced timing belt and by now it prob'ly has over 200K and still running happily. Bought '96 Dakota brand new, plus leer camper shell painted to match. Put way up over 200K on it delivering our products. NEVER faltered except wiring connection to gas tank, but that problem kept coming back to haunt me. Let two of my girls use it for freshman year college, but after that each of them had a boyfriend with his own truck and they brought it home because.......well, because I had bought a new '01 dodge 1500 when the business outgrew the Dakota, GAVE the Dakota to a friend who could fix the wiring once and for all and had gotten himself in a bind and needed a work truck in the worst way. 01 dodge 1500 retired as a business behicle in '14 when we sold the business and I put a flat bed on it for farm use, but a couple of years ago it needed a fuel pump. Pulled flat bed off to change fuel pump from top instead of dropping the tank, NEVER got it back together, although it was running like a top with over 250K on it. Recently gave it to my granddaughter and her husband, Already had the pump replaced but just needed the bed put back on, 4 new tires, One new headlight assembly, etc. NONE of these vehicles were worn out, but they were a pain in the ankle, so I either sold them or gave them away. 30 years ago, I would have gotten another 100K out of any one of them, but I no longer had to keep on patching up stuff like that, so I gave myself a break. HERE are some of the reasons other folks send them to the bone yard, NONE of which include blown engines, and few include bad major components.....Joe www.quora.com/What-reason-did-you-junk-your-car-I-go-to-the-junkyard-a-lot-and-there-seem-to-be-a-lot-of-cars-there-in-decent-shape
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Post by farmrbrown on Mar 7, 2023 16:55:07 GMT
I now understand joebill , and we are in agreement. We just had different definitions of "new cars". All of your examples were made in the 20th century, counting the 2001 Dodge as well. ONE year into the 21st century gives it a pass like my 2001 Jeep Cherokee, the last year that model was made. I wouldn't classify anything over 10 years as new or newer especially if you account for the minimum age it would take to DRIVE those 200,000 miles. As noted those phony claims in my links above were referring to vehicles 3 years old or less. Unless it was driven in shifts, cross country all the time, it's impossible to back those claims up - it was hypothetical. Empirical or not (and I have a few outstanding ones as well) the documented fact remains that NO years have ever had 50% or more of their vehicles make it that far. Now if you define "most" as LESS than 50%, then I'll have to concede your point. Carry on.
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Post by joebill on Mar 8, 2023 5:54:36 GMT
" The modern man who feels the urgent need for change, if he is a decent sort, keeps his wife and ditches his wheels and makes no apology" ....Joe
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