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Post by DEKE on Aug 17, 2017 12:00:24 GMT
To remain willfully ignorant in today's times with information still at present available is one's own choice . If you believe the Govt version that is one's own choice . To me is is a complete farce ,no buildings have ever fell due to fire . Notice black smoke is a fire starved for oxygen , but then these buildings turn to dust as they come apart . 9/11 Prediction in 1948 Cartoon? Now this is a lot of questions ask to make one think . Really long but there are condensed versions . Dr Judy Wood Where did the towers Go ? Yes, willfully ignorant. It is amazing what the willfully ignorant will believe. How is it that the PM info is the gov't version? Were they taken over by the gov't forces that keep all the conspiracy participants quiet? I don't know what your cartoon means. Because your beliefs require believing in dishonest and disproven theories, I honestly don't know if you posted it as a joke or if you think it really means something. I don't have the time or patience to watch a conspiracy nut for 2 hours. If you want to post a synopsis of her statements, I'll read them. As to your delightfully and willfully ignorant statement on no buildings having ever fallen due to fire..., linkConspiracy Theorists bring up the fact that the towers were the first steel high rises to fall from fire in history. The fact is the towers had other firsts that day they never seem to include.
There were a lot of firsts for the WTC. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been hit with a plane traveling 500 miles an hour and had its fire proofing removed from its trusses. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever had its steel columns which hold lateral load sheared off by a 767. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been a building which had its vertical load bearing columns in its core removed by an airliner. For Building 7, in all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been left for 6-7 hours with its bottom floors on fire with structural damage from another building collapse. Not the Madrid/Windsor tower did not have almost 40 stories of load on its supports after being hit by another building which left a 20 story gash. The Madrid tower lost portions of its steel frame from the fire. Windsor's central core was steel reinforced concrete. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been without some fire fighters fighting the fires.
I could go on with the "Firsts" but you get the drift. The statement that the WTC buildings were the first high-rise buildings to collapse from fire is deceptive because it purposely doesn't take those factors into account.
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A challenge to conspiracy theorists:
1) Find a steel frame building at least 40 stories high
2) Which takes up a whole city block
3) And is a "Tube in a tube" design
4) Which came off its core columns at the bottom floors (Earthquake, fire, whatever - WTC 7)
5) Which was struck by another building or airliner and had structural damage as a result.
6) And weakened by fire for over 6 hours
7) And had trusses that were bolted on with two 5/8" bolts.
And which, after all seven tests are met, the building does not fall down. Anyone dissecting this into 7 separate events is lying to you.
Anything less than meeting these seven tests is dishonest because it's not comparing apples with apples
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Post by DEKE on Aug 17, 2017 12:08:23 GMT
Err, no sawmilljim , black smoke is what you get when petroleum based material is burning. Never burned a tire? Just like every other office building, the towers were full of plastic. As well as diesel fuel. WTC 7 had a 6000 gal tank of diesel to run generators on floor ?23?. I've seen diesel burn. Black smoke. There is no great mystery there. |
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Post by sawmilljim on Aug 17, 2017 17:17:39 GMT
Err, no sawmilljim , black smoke is what you get when petroleum based material is burning. Never burned a tire? Just like every other office building, the towers were full of plastic. Burned lots of tires ever throw a match in a really smoking coal stove after a dose of kerosene,while it is smoldering ? Those fires didn't have time to even start other objects, the jet fuel itself didn't even have that much time to burn . Not only that but they were turned to dust . Also putting the instigators in charge of investigation is insane . 9/11 Trillions: Follow The Money |
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Post by sawmilljim on Aug 17, 2017 17:20:51 GMT
Deke you should be on their payroll !
9/11 INTERCEPTED - Brought to you by Pilots For 9/11 Truth
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Post by DEKE on Aug 17, 2017 17:46:42 GMT
The fires burned for about an hour before the buildings fell. There were 1000+F engine pieces mixed in with roughly 23,000 gallons of jet fuel. There were unknown amounts of electrical fires from a huge plane slamming into the building. There was diesel fuel to run generators. I don't understand what you are trying to say. Why don't you think big fires could have started without some evil plot? Do you have an expert to back up this theory?
As to putting the instigators in charge. What about the PM investigation? What about there 300+ sources? What about all the other orgs that looked into this and their independent experts?
do you have anyone who isn't trying to sell a book or a movie to back up your theory?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 18:43:45 GMT
Fact: The pilot episode (part of which is posted below) of the X Files spin off, The Lone Gunmen, which dealt with a 'terrorist' plot to attack the World Trade Center in NYC with a plane flight connected to Boston, aired on national television on March 4, 2001. In that episode it was revealed that a faction of our own government was behind the attack, because there no longer was a cold war enemy and increased arms sales were needed. The show even tied in Operation Northwoods, mentioning it by name. Fact: Six months later, on 9/11/2001, terrorists attacked the World Trade Center in NYC with planes originating in Boston. Fact: The CIA, the NSA, and the U.S. military often work with Hollywood in their production of both television shows and movies. |
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Post by sawmilljim on Aug 17, 2017 19:24:38 GMT
The fires burned for about an hour before the buildings fell. There were 1000+F engine pieces mixed in with roughly 23,000 gallons of jet fuel. There were unknown amounts of electrical fires from a huge plane slamming into the building. There was diesel fuel to run generators. I don't understand what you are trying to say. Why don't you think big fires could have started without some evil plot? Do you have an expert to back up this theory? As to putting the instigators in charge. What about the PM investigation? What about there 300+ sources? What about all the other orgs that looked into this and their independent experts? do you have anyone who isn't trying to sell a book or a movie to back up your theory? Planes doing maneuvers far exceeding their design along with building seven falling out of sympathy should cause one to think . Even dismissing that the fact the Pentagon was hit in the accounting dept. killing most everyone of those hunting a missing 8.5 trillion dollars might explain a lot. |
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Aug 17, 2017 19:29:49 GMT
@headlesshorseman, Wow! Why didn't I think of that. Yep, if you're going to mastermind a nefarious plot to kill thousands, the smart thing to do would be to put the detailed plot, including the plotters, on national TV. Lucky for us terrorists don't watch TV. It's a good thing they don't read books either, I believe it was in '96 Tom Clancy's book Executive Orders had a jumbo jet flying into the capitol building, killing nearly all the politicians.
Sorry, that's just plain lame.
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Post by sawmilljim on Aug 17, 2017 19:30:46 GMT
Fact: The pilot episode (part of which is posted below) of the X Files spin off, The Lone Gunmen, which dealt with a 'terrorist' plot to attack the World Trade Center in NYC with a plane originating out of Boston, aired on national television on March 4, 2001. In that episode it was revealed that a faction of our own government was behind the attack, because there no longer was a cold war enemy and increased arms sales were needed. The show even ties in Operation Northwoods. Fact: Six months later, on 9/11/2001, terrorists attacked the World Trade Center in NYC with planes originating in Boston. Fact: The CIA, the NSA, and the U.S. military often work with Hollywood in their production of both television shows and movies. Satan has to reveal his plans in advance . 9/11 in Cartoons |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 19:34:09 GMT
@headlesshorseman , Wow! Why didn't I think of that. Yep, if you're going to mastermind a nefarious plot to kill thousands, the smart thing to do would be to put the detailed plot, including the plotters, on national TV. Lucky for us terrorists don't watch TV. It's a good thing they don't read books either, I believe it was in '96 Tom Clancy's book Executive Orders had a jumbo jet flying into the capitol building, killing nearly all the politicians. Sorry, that's just plain lame. The fact is that some of these evildoers consider themselves to be gentlemen and they believe that by warning people before the dastardly deed, even if in a coded and unlikely manner, they somehow will remain gentlemen. Of course, no true gentleman would ever seriously consider doing what these monsters have actually done. |
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Post by DEKE on Aug 18, 2017 15:31:39 GMT
The fact is that some of these evildoers consider themselves to be gentlemen and they believe that by warning people before the dastardly deed, even if in a coded and unlikely manner, they somehow will remain gentlemen. Of course, no true gentleman would ever seriously consider doing what these monsters have actually done. This is a good example of the inability of the conspiracists to see their own illogical and groundless thinking. How do you know, "some of these evildoers consider themselves to be gentlemen and they believe that by warning people before the dastardly deed, even if in a coded and unlikely manner, they somehow will remain gentlemen"? What is the basis for this assertion of fact? It might be your opinion, but your statement that it is a fact leads me to believe you don't know the difference between fact and opinion. |
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Post by DEKE on Aug 18, 2017 15:48:51 GMT
Satan has to reveal his plans in advance . 9/11 in Cartoons Jim - what is it you really believe these cartoons tell us? Do you think it tells us that the world's tallest buildings in the world's financial capital are a common and obvious target? Well, DUH! {slapping forehead} If the attack was a Bush plot, isn't that why he choose WTC? Wouldn't a script writer be able to make the same obvious connection as is repeatedly as evidenced by your link? Wouldn't the fact that WTC had been a prior target for terrorism make it an obvious target to both USG evil plotters as well as your average run of the mill terrorist? So since everybody, their mother, and their brother knows that WTC is an obvious target for terrorism, what is it that you think your link tells us besides that WTC is an obvious target for terrorism? |
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Post by DEKE on Aug 18, 2017 15:59:58 GMT
Deke you should be on their payroll ! 9/11 INTERCEPTED - Brought to you by Pilots For 9/11 Truth I'm working 12 hours a day at the Cincy Tennis Tournament every day for two weeks. Tom told me I had to get a different hobby so that's what I picked. I have no time for your movies. Don't you have any written sources? What I find common amoung conspiracists is that they never really challenge or question any of their own theories. You toss out something about fires and as soon as it meets any resistance with facts and logic, you run in a different direction. Now what is in this movie, they were military planes? Missiles instead of planes? Try this and if it doesn't answer your points, find a source that writes out what you believe and I'll address it. The Planes link |
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Post by sawmilljim on Aug 18, 2017 16:47:17 GMT
Deke you should be on their payroll ! 9/11 INTERCEPTED - Brought to you by Pilots For 9/11 Truth I'm working 12 hours a day at the Cincy Tennis Tournament every day for two weeks. Tom told me I had to get a different hobby so that's what I picked. I have no time for your movies. Don't you have any written sources? What I find common amoung conspiracists is that they never really challenge or question any of their own theories. You toss out something about fires and as soon as it meets any resistance with facts and logic, you run in a different direction. Now what is in this movie, they were military planes? Missiles instead of planes? Try this and if it doesn't answer your points, find a source that writes out what you believe and I'll address it. The Planes linkWell if you got those 12 hours going you must not have any thinking time left . The video is air traffic controll all calls from start to finish . If you want paper copies file your FOIA Yes there are still Govt trolls debunking ever thing the Govt don't want ,can't have people thinking. |
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Post by sawmilljim on Aug 18, 2017 16:49:44 GMT
The fact is that some of these evildoers consider themselves to be gentlemen and they believe that by warning people before the dastardly deed, even if in a coded and unlikely manner, they somehow will remain gentlemen. Of course, no true gentleman would ever seriously consider doing what these monsters have actually done. This is a good example of the inability of the conspiracists to see their own illogical and groundless thinking. How do you know, "some of these evildoers consider themselves to be gentlemen and they believe that by warning people before the dastardly deed, even if in a coded and unlikely manner, they somehow will remain gentlemen"? What is the basis for this assertion of fact? It might be your opinion, but your statement that it is a fact leads me to believe you don't know the difference between fact and opinion. The barrel you live in must be really small. |
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