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Post by Mari on Apr 15, 2020 11:14:53 GMT
Didn't really know where else to post this - thought this would probably do. Yeah, yeah, up in the middle of the night once again and this popped up on my YouTube feed: Interestingly enough there were several places in Indiana mentioned in the articles from the 1890's... Perhaps I should start shoveling in some of the "mounds" on our property and see what Moi comes up with? (just kidding)  |
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Post by daw on Apr 16, 2020 0:54:36 GMT
Well Mari, I wanted to see. Both the iPhone 7 and the iPad said
Browser would not accept ...
I know the service is barely perking right now but I did want to see
Maybe tomorrow
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Post by Mari on Apr 16, 2020 1:16:51 GMT
Well Mari, I wanted to see. Both the iPhone 7 and the iPad said Browser would not accept ... I know the service is barely perking right now but I did want to see Maybe tomorrow Yeah - so sorry about that! Okay, now I am getting just a tad ticked off. We watched it on YouTube this evening and when I copy and paste - then it says - yeah - something about the browser, yadda yadda yadda... can't get it to work... I did watch it again with my husband earlier - seemed just a tad hokey to me now in some ways - but still some very interesting stuff in it. Raises a lot of questions... He said the same thing... I am anxious though to do a little digging around as far as the newspaper articles and such. OKAY - perhaps whoever published it won't allow it to be embedded? Ahh, I don't know. ***I think what you could do is just go to YouTube and type in "A Race Of Giants" and click on the flick and watch it from there. I just tried that out and it worked. Sorry for the frustration!*** |
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Post by sawmilljim on Apr 16, 2020 2:15:23 GMT
Well if one is really curious about the giants the Bible covers it . For added clafericition see the book of Enoch . Goliath was of the race of giants having six fingers . They were a product of fallen angels crossed bred with humans.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
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Post by Mari on Apr 16, 2020 2:18:32 GMT
Well if one is really curious about the giants the Bible covers it . For added clafericition see the book of Enoch . Goliath was of the race of giants having six fingers . 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Yep, my husband was reciting that earlier...  |
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Post by blackfeather on Apr 16, 2020 20:03:28 GMT
I never bought into the whole fallen angels breeding with women. Jesus himself said that in the resurrection of the dead, men and women would be like the angels and not marry. Fallen angels are still angels. They are spirit and have no physical sex, they may look male but they are spirit. As far as the sons of God goes, I can't see how fallen angles would be referred to as "sons of God" But it did say a couple of chapters earlier that men began to turn toward God. As we know in the New Testament it says of those converted, that they are the "son's of God." So I have every reason to believe that these "sons" where normal people who had turned toward God, but were led astray by worldly women, because they look fair to them. In other words these women were probably sexy and led astray by them. If you look at the sentence it says there were giants then after that... The Hebrew word for Giant can mean tyrant as well. The book of Jasher implies just as I have said above that the sons of God were men. These children having some training in what was right became mighty. I point out the Jews, even Jews that are atheists seem to have some sort of gift and become rich and powerful despite doing bad things. (think George Soros) I suppose the same happened back then.
As far as the book of Enoch, he lived before the flood, and the Bible wasn't written down till Moses. So where did this book come from? It wasn't transferred across the flood. There is a reason why it is called apocryphal. Even the book of Jasher, though it tracks closely with the Old Testament, it turns people into super-heros and is largely exaggerated. It is a story book.
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Post by sawmilljim on Apr 17, 2020 4:04:14 GMT
I never bought into the whole fallen angels breeding with women. Jesus himself said that in the resurrection of the dead, men and women would be like the angels and not marry. Fallen angels are still angels. They are spirit and have no physical sex, they may look male but they are spirit. As far as the sons of God goes, I can't see how fallen angles would be referred to as "sons of God" But it did say a couple of chapters earlier that men began to turn toward God. As we know in the New Testament it says of those converted, that they are the "son's of God." So I have every reason to believe that these "sons" where normal people who had turned toward God, but were led astray by worldly women, because they look fair to them. In other words these women were probably sexy and led astray by them. If you look at the sentence it says there were giants then after that... The Hebrew word for Giant can mean tyrant as well. The book of Jasher implies just as I have said above that the sons of God were men. These children having some training in what was right became mighty. I point out the Jews, even Jews that are atheists seem to have some sort of gift and become rich and powerful despite doing bad things. (think George Soros) I suppose the same happened back then. As far as the book of Enoch, he lived before the flood, and the Bible wasn't written down till Moses. So where did this book come from? It wasn't transferred across the flood. There is a reason why it is called apocryphal. Even the book of Jasher, though it tracks closely with the Old Testament, it turns people into super-heros and is largely exaggerated. It is a story book. I call that preacher splaning . I guess that puts Goliath in the realm of fairy tail also . With some digging one will find the giants was Satan's attempt to corrupt the bloodline of the human race to prevent the birth of Jesus notice Noah was pure in his generation . Jude 1 -6-7 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Numbers 13;33 We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them." These were some big tyrant's ! It is asserted in the book itself that its author was Enoch, before the Biblical Flood. The most complete Book of Enoch comes from Ethiopic manuscripts, maṣḥafa hēnok, written in Ge'ez; which was brought to Europe by James Bruce in the late 18th century and was translated into English in the 19th century. |
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Post by blackfeather on Apr 18, 2020 2:29:37 GMT
sawmilljim , I never said there weren't giants, I just said they weren't from fallen angels because that is Biblically incorrect. As I pointed out above. The word for Giant is also Tyrant in Hebrew look it up, now they may have been tyrants because they were larger than others. Then the verse clearly says "after that". so there were Giants/tyrants and afterward, the sons of God went into the daughters of men. So this was after these Giants made a show. I have a question Where did the nephilim come from in Numbers 13:33? If these were descendants of the ones in Enoch's time then why didn't they die in the flood? All that was left were Noah and his family where did these come from? Did the Israelites just call them that? Were they exaggerating? Is that in part why God was angry with them? There were very tall men who lived in the land. I know when I first saw that scripture I began to wonder did they overstate it and exaggerate it and that is why Israel lost heart at conquering the land? You can believe as you will but Spirit mating with flesh is Biblically out of the question, and Angels are clearly spirit, only one spirit became flesh and he died and was resurrected 2000 year ago.
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Post by sawmilljim on Apr 18, 2020 6:11:13 GMT
Well one thing the fallen angles left their first estate . They refused to obey God or follow his tenants. But ask your self if angles are spirit only how did they appear to Lot ? Do spirits wash their feet ? Do they eat ? or need sleep.
Genesis 19- 2
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"My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning." "No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."
As to where the giants came from after the flood the bible says Noah was perfect in his generation never said the wives of Noah's sons were .
I don't read the Bible with the view that it contains exaratition God had a way of removing those that lied about lots of matters. No the spies in Numbers were scared out of their mind . It would appear they were short on faith too.
Now why would God tell them Now go and attack the Amalekites and devote to destruction all that belongs to them. Do not spare them, but put to death men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.’” Might God wanted all life destroyed to rid the land of the bloodline ?
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Post by farmrbrown on Apr 18, 2020 14:36:45 GMT
True. There are many things in the bible that seem impossible to explain with our own limited ability, but I trust that one day we will have all our answers. But as far as the idea that you had blackfeather, that a spirit can not impregnate a flesh woman, do you believe that God was the Father of Jesus? |
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Post by joebill on Apr 18, 2020 16:13:40 GMT
Seems to me that P.T. Barnum had a bit of history with one of those dudes, later found to be of recent manufactured origins... Yeah, he was the "Cardiff Giant"....right HERE; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_GiantA bit late in the game for "new" discoveries, although there is a lot of dirt down there that remains undug.....Joe |
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Post by blackfeather on Apr 18, 2020 16:43:39 GMT
True. There are many things in the bible that seem impossible to explain with our own limited ability, but I trust that one day we will have all our answers. But as far as the idea that you had blackfeather , that a spirit can not impregnate a flesh woman, do you believe that God was the Father of Jesus? True, true, then he is creator and angels are not, they are only helpers. The argument is the angels came down an bred with women where as what happened to Mary was not done physically to her but was created inside of her by the Holy Spirit. Remember she was still a virgin where as what the book of Enoch claims is that these women would have lost their virginity. Secondly what these people who believe this angel impregnating stuff is that God isn't in control and these beings snuck something past God. And that I can't buy. |
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Post by sawmilljim on Apr 18, 2020 18:08:47 GMT
True. There are many things in the bible that seem impossible to explain with our own limited ability, but I trust that one day we will have all our answers. But as far as the idea that you had blackfeather , that a spirit can not impregnate a flesh woman, do you believe that God was the Father of Jesus? True, true, then he is creator and angels are not, they are only helpers. The argument is the angels came down an bred with women where as what happened to Mary was not done physically to her but was created inside of her by the Holy Spirit. Remember she was still a virgin where as what the book of Enoch claims is that these women would have lost their virginity. Secondly what these people who believe this angel impregnating stuff is that God isn't in control and these beings snuck something past God. And that I can't buy. No they didn't sneak anything past God anymore than Adam and Eve did ! they just changed sides and joined with the oppesition team remember this guy ? “You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God…You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings” (Ezekiel 28:12–17 NIV). |
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Post by blackfeather on Apr 18, 2020 19:06:12 GMT
sawmilljim, So what your saying is God allowed them to breed women? Or your saying God was not powerful enough to stop them?
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Post by sawmilljim on Apr 18, 2020 19:23:59 GMT
sawmilljim , So what your saying is God allowed them to breed women? Or your saying God was not powerful enough to stop them? Allowed ! If he made everything he alone can destroy everything or do with as he alone sees fit..I heard someplace man can neither create or destroy matter. Death entered mankind from disobedience to God. Could God prevented it sure he could . The clay pot can't rule the potter. |
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