Post by farmrbrown on Apr 19, 2020 5:34:17 GMT
True, true, then he is creator and angels are not, they are only helpers. The argument is the angels came down an bred with women where as what happened to Mary was not done physically to her but was created inside of her by the Holy Spirit. Remember she was still a virgin where as what the book of Enoch claims is that these women would have lost their virginity. Secondly what these people who believe this angel impregnating stuff is that God isn't in control and these beings snuck something past God. And that I can't buy.
carm.org/can-angels-have-sex-with-people
There is also similar implications regarding Eve's encounter with Satan in the garden that is even less talked about, that is the genealogy of Cain and Abel. I won't expound on it, but in the definition and context of the original language of Genesis, there is some basis to believe that Satan was Cain's father and Abel was Adam's which is another instance of sex between angels and women. Again it explains things that happen later in scripture but doesn't prove or disprove the basic tenets of the faith, so I leave it up to others to accept it or not. No biggie.
However I will pick a bone with you about the 2nd assertion, that when things go wrong, God somehow dropped the ball or ain't in control of everything like WE think He ought to be.
And I say this NOT out of anger, indignation or to defend God, who doesn't need anything like that from me. I say this because you stated what I believe is the #1 doubt that mankind has, believers, non-believers and those on the fence. Almost everyone has wrestled with that and I'm sure it's the biggest stumbling block of all time.
"Why does God allow bad things to happen?"
And especially to "good" people?
He never really seems to ever give a good enough answer to that one, does He?
I also don't want you to think I'm conceited for offering an answer to that either because I take no credit for it although I also have nothing to support it other than what I was given when I asked Him the same question.
3 times, the same 3 words..........."Look in Job."
Look, I said the same thing at first, which is why each time, He repeated it a little louder and sterner, lol.
(Job? You gotta be kidding. 40 chapters of a guy getting smacked down repeatedly, only to get a reward for years of suffering? And he didn't do anything to deserve it in the first place! Yeah, yeah, I heard that one preached a million times. Still don't get it. Is that all ya got for an answer?)
And yes, I can be a smartass sometimes, even with the Almighty. I reckon I'll be paying for that eventually, lol.
But after the 3rd time I went ahead and opened up Job, chapter 1 verse 1 and did as I was told, reluctantly.
I didn't even finish chapter 1 and it jumped off the page. Something I'd read and heard many times before and never paid much attention to, but this time I had a mental picture of that scene and realized it was as important as it was bizarre, much like the scene of Christ in the dessert when Satan tries to tempt Him.
I mean, you gotta be one cocky S.O.B. to just stroll in on the Almighty (or even His Son) and start talking smack like you were hustling someone on a pool table at the local pub.
(I know this is too long a post, but ya never hear many sermons mentioning gambling, drinking and pool halls at the First Baptist church, lol. And if they ever do, they don't like to dwell on it. )
So I got this picture of God having his monthly board meeting with His angels. Here comes satan, still technically an angel and apparently still had the keys to the office. So he just barges in like he owns the place even though by this time he's persona non grata.
I didn't know at the time that Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible occurring sometime between Noah and Moses, but they stuck in the middle of the OT like a picture that fell out of the family album.
So by this time, satan had wrecked Paradise, gotten God so ticked off He flooded the earth (which was out of character and seems to bother Him) and was just getting warmed up causing destruction. And yes, God's just sitting there letting it happen. WTH?
And although God HAS the power to destroy life, that isn't His thing. He's the Creator, Satan's the one with the black thumb who wrecks everything he touches and likes it. In fact he's kinda bragging about it, taunting God.
OK, so what? Just another crazy, boring bible story, right?
But what happens next? Everybody knows but have you thought that this little challenge could be more significant that it appears, since the only other similar event was with Christ Himself?
(I think in Daniel, Michael has to personally fight Lucifer on his way to deliver his message, but it's not nearly the same as this)
All that to give you my explanation of why God doesn't (and can't) step in and stop the evil, pain and destruction we face almost daily.
Remember God bragging on Job, what a good man he was? All satan could do is tell God that he could make him turn and curse God, just let me torture him for a while. After all, satan had a perfect record. Every man that was born on this earth was bound to sin, it wasn't even a contest. This guy Job was just another notch in his belt. Keep making more babies God, they'll all be sinners when I'm done with them.
Sound like a serious bet with a real personal animosity attached to it?
So what if it was?
Every bet has a few common elements. A challenge, something of value to win or lose, the rules agreed upon and a certain time limit when it's to be concluded. Think about any bet you've made or seen and see if that's true.
*We already see the obvious challenge - God tries to create a perfect world with good people and Satan says I can turn every one into a child that you wish you never had and make you look like a total failure.
*What are the stakes? - Everything. Winner takes all. God has it and satan has always wanted it. He wants to be the Boss of everything.
*Rules? - I don't know, I wasn't there. But I know God and He's no dummy. The stakes are so high, satan's already hooked. He'll take the bet if he thinks he can win. Why not offer him a sucker bet?
He lost the bet on Job. Job never cursed God. His faith was shaken but never lost. But I'm sure somewhere in his life he did sin, even a little bit. He was a good man but not perfect. No one can meet that standard, live a life on this earth as a mortal man (hint: born of a woman) and never sin. Satan can make that happen every time, to every one, right? He's gotten every one so far, 100%.
So that's it. God all you have to do is create one perfect man (or woman, gotta be human, angels don't count) and he has to live his entire life and never sin.
(Rule clarification) - Babies don't count either. None of this 1 day old and died, never sinned. Nope, full grown to an adult. Past puberty for sure, say 25-30 years old minimum.
Okay?
Fine, that's settled.
*Now, since this can't go on forever, how long do we have? Oh, and God or not, I need some witnesses so you don't try and welch at the end when I win. Mike, Gabe, make sure you hear all this and somebody write this down.
Ok, how long? You've been at this over 1,000 years with these guys after you got done playing with those goofy dinosaurs and all that landscaping. I'm not gonna let you string this out for an eternity Old Man.
7,000 years? Total? Including what's already passed, right?
Ok, you like 7's don't ya, that your lucky number?
Deal, alright?
Oh, one last thing. It goes without saying that since you are God and can make anything happen that you want to, until time's up, hands off. No using those special powers. You make'em leave them be and I break'em. Once they are born, you can talk to them if you want (no fair telling anyone about our bet though, that's cheating), but you can't stop me from touching them, just like Job.
We good?
Let's get started!
*So there's no way I can prove any of this, all I was told was to "look in Job".