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Post by Jolly on Sept 28, 2020 16:54:36 GMT
OK, you're still ignoring what has been said and the plain facts, I'll drop it. No sense in going in round and round in circles. Of course her lawyer has said something in her defense, that's what he's paid to do. The courts will decided. Amen. Her case is going to hinge on whether a school or schoolboard can set policy for a school and school activities. If so, the cop is entirely within his power to arrest anybody not adhering to those rules or policies under Ohio law. Not for disregarding the rules or policies (in this case), but for disrupting an event after being told to leave, invoking the trespass law. Her lawyer will probably base his case on her constitutional right to not wear a mask, even though she wore one into the game and had one in her back pocket when arrested. But she's breaking a state mandate and a local school policy, as outlined by Ohio's athletic association. Who knows, she may win. Stranger things have happened. If I was the school, my solution would be to ban all extracurricular activities at school. Draconian, but effective.
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Post by sawmilljim on Sept 28, 2020 17:04:15 GMT
OK, you're still ignoring what has been said and the plain facts, I'll drop it. No sense in going in round and round in circles. Of course her lawyer has said something in her defense, that's what he's paid to do. The courts will decided. My bet is it will never make court . There are just to many of these same cases that have already set precedence . With the lawyer she has they will be try making this go away fast . Maurice Thompson is a constitutional rights lawyer, author, commentator, speaker, and founder and director of the 1851 Center for Constitutional Law. Maurice fights for liberty across Ohio in high-stakes constitutional rights cases and provides legal support for freedom-oriented ballot issues.
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Post by Jolly on Sept 28, 2020 17:31:28 GMT
OK, you're still ignoring what has been said and the plain facts, I'll drop it. No sense in going in round and round in circles. Of course her lawyer has said something in her defense, that's what he's paid to do. The courts will decided. My bet is it will never make court . There are just to many of these same cases that have already set precedence . With the lawyer she has they will be try making this go away fast . Maurice Thompson is a constitutional rights lawyer, author, commentator, speaker, and founder and director of the 1851 Center for Constitutional Law. Maurice fights for liberty across Ohio in high-stakes constitutional rights cases and provides legal support for freedom-oriented ballot issues. Don't bet your next retirement check on it. Thompson and Finney currently have a case filed against the State of Ohio's Secretary of Health over the closing of what the state deemed a non-essential business (bridal shop). The case is currently in the Federal Appeals court, having lost in previous hearings.
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Post by sawmilljim on Sept 28, 2020 17:49:52 GMT
OK, you're still ignoring what has been said and the plain facts, I'll drop it. No sense in going in round and round in circles. Of course her lawyer has said something in her defense, that's what he's paid to do. The courts will decided. Amen. Her case is going to hinge on whether a school or schoolboard can set policy for a school and school activities. If so, the cop is entirely within his power to arrest anybody not adhering to those rules or policies under Ohio law. Not for disregarding the rules or policies (in this case), but for disrupting an event after being told to leave, invoking the trespass law. Her lawyer will probably base his case on her constitutional right to not wear a mask, even though she wore one into the game and had one in her back pocket when arrested. But she's breaking a state mandate and a local school policy, as outlined by Ohio's athletic association. Who knows, she may win. Stranger things have happened. If I was the school, my solution would be to ban all extracurricular activities at school. Draconian, but effective. I will agree the solution would be ban all out side activities . Until a policy is codified into law on public property there is no way for enforcement under law . I have always said there is right there is wrong then there is the law . Laws can at times not agree with wright or wrong but is the law non the less. In this case if one person at the event was charged with trespassing all should of been . See how dumb that sounds so we came back to what started the whole affair a policy not a law .
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Post by DEKE on Sept 28, 2020 18:03:37 GMT
I can't believe you guys would punish every student and parent who wants to participate in a VOLUNTARY extra curricular activity because a very small minority refuse to participate in mask wearing. You can argue that mask wearing may be pointless and useless, and maybe one day you will be proven right, but in the mean time, people need to get on with their lives as best they can. Sports are an important part of many children's education and motivation to stay in school. Even those that will never go pro learn team work, sacrifice, work habits, or maybe they learn nothing more than that they have to keep a minimum GPA in order to play the game they love.
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Post by sawmilljim on Sept 28, 2020 18:04:35 GMT
My bet is it will never make court . There are just to many of these same cases that have already set precedence . With the lawyer she has they will be try making this go away fast . Maurice Thompson is a constitutional rights lawyer, author, commentator, speaker, and founder and director of the 1851 Center for Constitutional Law. Maurice fights for liberty across Ohio in high-stakes constitutional rights cases and provides legal support for freedom-oriented ballot issues. Don't bet your next retirement check on it. Thompson and Finney currently have a case filed against the State of Ohio's Secretary of Health over the closing of what the state deemed a non-essential business (bridal shop). The case is currently in the Federal Appeals court, having lost in previous hearings. Most times local courts rule in favor of their own .. If local fights a case most times it just moves up the ladder if not filed in Federal court from the start . Me and a buddy got to set in Federal court all one day because a Tn. cop arrested a man on a Ky highway and lodged him in a Tn jail . Guy arrested spent one night in a Tn jail they drug that court case out three years . City that made the arrest paid out a measly $35,000 and all expenses for the man's one night stay .Also he had the worlds worst lawyer .
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Post by sawmilljim on Sept 28, 2020 18:16:31 GMT
I can't believe you guys would punish every student and parent who wants to participate in a VOLUNTARY extra curricular activity because a very small minority refuse to participate in mask wearing. You can argue that mask wearing may be pointless and useless, and maybe one day you will be proven right, but in the mean time, people need to get on with their lives as best they can. Sports are an important part of many children's education and motivation to stay in school. Even those that will never go pro learn team work, sacrifice, work habits, or maybe they learn nothing more than that they have to keep a minimum GPA in order to play the game they love. I can't beleve our Government would continuously use tax money to fund public extra curricular activity . Let those wanting to play start their own private club have a secret handshake and password keep the riffraff out . Oops sorry strike the secret handshake !
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Post by DEKE on Sept 28, 2020 18:21:58 GMT
SMJ, I think in most states, maybe all of them, education is a constitutional right. If you are going to argue education can not include football, you best stay outside of TX and FL when you're making that argument lest you get treated like the guest of honor at a Klan cross burning.
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Post by sawmilljim on Sept 28, 2020 18:30:07 GMT
SMJ, I think in most states, maybe all of them, education is a constitutional right. If you are going to argue education can not include football, you best stay outside of TX and FL when you're making that argument lest you get treated like the guest of honor at a Klan cross burning. Yep the joke here they once said they taught football and played school !
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Post by fordy on Sept 28, 2020 19:05:23 GMT
................The downside of worshipping at the "Goal Post" , is lots of lower IQ students , esp. blacks who are talented athletes may receive college scholarships for football\basketball and never learned anything in high school and continue that scenario for however long they 'Play' in college ! ................Once they are no longer useful too the college athletic program they are cut , and released to society without any marketable job skills and eventually may end UP in Prison due to drugs or other illegal activities . Is it any wonder that such a large portion of prison inmates are black ? , fordy
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Post by DEKE on Sept 28, 2020 20:15:54 GMT
................The downside of worshipping at the "Goal Post" , is lots of lower IQ students , esp. blacks who are talented athletes may receive college scholarships for football\basketball and never learned anything in high school and continue that scenario for however long they 'Play' in college ! ................Once they are no longer useful too the college athletic program they are cut , and released to society without any marketable job skills and eventually may end UP in Prison due to drugs or other illegal activities . Is it any wonder that such a large portion of prison inmates are black ? , fordy
WOW!
That is wrong on so many levels. SMH
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Post by Jolly on Sept 28, 2020 20:46:45 GMT
At LSU, the overall graduation rate for athletes is 89%. The football team is 71%. The six year graduation rate for all students is 60%. LSU has a bump over 30,000 students.
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Post by DEKE on Sept 28, 2020 21:02:09 GMT
At LSU, the overall graduation rate for athletes is 89%. The football team is 71%. The six year graduation rate for all students is 60%. LSU has a bump over 30,000 students. That is the usual story these days pretty much everywhere. When they started forcing kids to have a min GPA in order to play, it motivated a lot of them to actually get an education. Of course, not all benefit equally from the same opportunity, but you can't blame that on the opportunity. There are a lot of old stereotypes that were mostly true decades ago and mostly wrong today.
DD's high school swim team was about 80-90% scholar athletes. That meant they had lettered in sport AND stayed on the Dean's list / honor roll for the entire year. At the end of season awards banquet, the scholar athletes were recognized and the kids who did not get that award were noticeably embarrassed.
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Post by farmrbrown on Sept 28, 2020 21:21:11 GMT
It's good advice to NOT fight with a cop and it's equally good advice to make sure that if a cop is abusing his authority you DON'T let it slide either. I had a similar situation a few months ago at the Verizon store. I was ILLEGALLY told to leave the premises. I did, but my next stop was the police station and got a phone call from the chief later that day. But not fighting doesn't mean the same as tolerating what was done. how were you illegally told to leave a Verizon store? Because the person who told me to leave, the same one that called the cops on me was a security guard. As I arrived at the local PD to complain to the chief, I was on the phone to Verizon corporate, who informed me that the private security did NOT have that authority as they were not technically Verizon employees. It was a Verizon employee that had greeted me outside and told me to wait and she'd be back in a few minutes to resolve my phone problems. I explained all of this in detail to both the rent-a-cop and the real cops when they arrived. But no one wanted to take the 2 extra minutes to talk to the manager or any of the witnesses in line. The cop, whom I know well, just kept saying to leave, being a hard head. The last time we'd met, was in his Captain's office where he was forced to give my wife's phone back that he'd confiscated from her granddaughter a week before. I had asked nicely several times, but was ignored until I finally told them how much trouble they were fixing to be in if they didn't stop playing around with an illegal search and seizure. That same cop was a detective at that time, and went back to patrolman a few weeks later. Go figure, but when he arrived and pretended he didn't know me in front of the other officer, and refused to verify if I HAD been asked to leave the premises by any employee, he lost all credibility with me as well as his department. I then proceeded to do exactly what I told him I'd do, and he probably got another reprimand in his file.
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Post by DEKE on Sept 28, 2020 21:32:42 GMT
So you don't know if the Verizon employee who went inside called the cops or authorized them to ask you to leave? You're depending on some guy on the phone who can't know much of anything about the situation in real time. For them to ask you to leave illegally, they must be breaking a law. Which one? Never mind, it doesn't matter. How did you profit from this encounter? I'm guessing it has something to do with truth, justice, and the American way.
LOL, keep tilting at that windmill, Senor Quixote, for the windmill must be defeated if we are to survive.
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