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Post by blackfeather on Feb 18, 2017 2:37:45 GMT
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Post by DEKE on Feb 18, 2017 3:31:49 GMT
what utter and complete BS. If that was in the NYT you would rightly criticize it for having unnamed, uncorroborated sources. And any nut anonymous job can have a wordpress site, as the burning platform proves.
Please tell me this was posted as a joke fake news reference.
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Post by blackfeather on Feb 18, 2017 16:49:57 GMT
Is it fake news? I'm not sure anymore.
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Post by DEKE on Feb 18, 2017 18:53:30 GMT
Here's your first clue it is fake news...
The headline says it is a DHS insider and then he goes on to speak authoritatively about CIA Black ops. Virtually no one at DHS has a clue to any inside info at CIA except in a very few odd cases. The two organizations work completely different areas of focus and share almost no data. You can have the highest level of top secret clearance at DHS and that qualifies you for absolutely nothing at CIA and vice versa.
Next - we created ISIS to topple Iran to get to their oil? Why go to all that trouble? We would be an oil exporting nation if it were legal and the price of oil were to increase. If this was the 1980s, it might have a ring of truth to it.
Next - why should we create ISIS to topple Iran when ISIS operates in Syria and Iraq? Duh. Big whoops there. Are CIA and Mossad simultaneously geniuses that can pull all these strings yet such idiots that they missed their target by two countries and are willing to have their client terrorist org fight all the way thru Iraq, destroying all the US hard won gains there just to get to Iran? Sure seems like there would be lots cheaper, easier ways to topple Iran if the CIA is so good at creating puppet terrorist armies.
Next - why go to all this trouble to take out Assad and why didn't our warplanes specifically target him. When we wanted to make a statement in Lybia during Reagan's time, we targeted Qaddafi's house. In Iraq, we targeted Saddam's homes. Even before the Russian's got involved, we didn't make any serious moves against Assad of which I am aware.
that's all off the top of my head. I didn't think the article deserved any serious thought. If you want a word press document to refute the story, I'll create a freebie word press site and write the article. It will have greater credibility than the one in the OP because I at least have a basic understanding of the adversarial nature of classified agencies and their computer networks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 20:24:19 GMT
...Next - we created ISIS to topple Iran to get to their oil? Why go to all that trouble? We would be an oil exporting nation if it were legal and the price of oil were to increase. If this was the 1980s, it might have a ring of truth to it. Next - why should we create ISIS to topple Iran when ISIS operates in Syria and Iraq? Duh. Big whoops there. Are CIA and Mossad simultaneously geniuses that can pull all these strings yet such idiots that they missed their target by two countries and are willing to have their client terrorist org fight all the way thru Iraq, destroying all the US hard won gains there just to get to Iran? Sure seems like there would be lots cheaper, easier ways to topple Iran if the CIA is so good at creating puppet terrorist armies. Next - why go to all this trouble to take out Assad and why didn't our warplanes specifically target him. When we wanted to make a statement in Lybia during Reagan's time, we targeted Qaddafi's house. In Iraq, we targeted Saddam's homes. Even before the Russian's got involved, we didn't make any serious moves against Assad of which I am aware...
From the opening article: ...Yes, if you will notice, America doesn't control either Libya or Iraq. We had no benefit whatsoever for targeting the leaders of those nations and bombing them back to the stone age. In fact, we are the big losers: lives wasted, treasure wasted, no control over anything in either country, and we have an invasion of violent, America-hating Muslims into Europe, Australia, and North America.
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Post by blackfeather on Feb 18, 2017 20:50:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 21:21:10 GMT
Well, with our U.S. Government and MSM often proclaiming that America only does surgical airstrikes and, presumably, only precision drops of equipment, weapons, and other supplies, I believe one can only conclude that this was intentional.
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Post by DEKE on Feb 18, 2017 21:53:48 GMT
well I read most of the first piece of useless junk. I didn't see hardly any facts, mostly just questions and wild speculation. Which is the typical trade of the conspiracy nuts. Rather than critically think and understand that there are things he is ignorant of, the conspiracy nut sees the question as proof of some wild eyed fiction.
Where did a bunch of Toyotas come from? I don't know. It proves nothing. The US ships 1000s of vehicles out of Miami to the mid east all the time. I'm in that port several times a year and see all the used vehicles waiting loading for ME and Africa. When I go to auctions, the biggest competition comes from online buyers shipping cars, trucks, and heavy equipment to ME. If the US or Israeli intelligence were leading ISIS, don't you think they would be smart enough to pick random vehicles, makes, models off the out bound ships? See, that's a big failing of the conspiracy nuts, they require that the conspirators be both massively intelligent in order to pull of the grand slight of hand, but then be dumb as rocks to purposely show their hand. Like #10, naming your grand super secret organization after your own org's acronym. I got a ROFL out of that one. Surely someone in Mossad or CIA might have thought better if the acronym pointed back at themselves.
And then to believe all this bunk without doing any independent verification is again showing that someone isn't willing to do the slightest bit of questioning of his conspiracy beliefs. It took me <30 seconds to prove #10 is just nothing but a goof made up by somebody who probably lives in his mother's basement.
Look up wiki Mossad. The official language of Israel is Hebrew and Mossad is called, Mossad (Hebrew: הַמוֹסָד, IPA: [ha moˈsad]; Arabic: الموساد, al-Mōsād, IPA: [almoːˈsaːd]; literally meaning "the Institute"), short for HaMossad leModiʿin uleTafkidim Meyuḥadim (Hebrew: המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים, meaning "Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations"), is the national intelligence agency of Israel.
The acronym for Israeli Intel is NOT ISIS except is conspiracy circles. If you want to use Anglo letters for the Hebrew name, the acronym would be something like HMUM but that's just a guess. And with an Anglicized name for Israeli Intelligence, then its acronym is IISO. Why wouldn't they simply call themselves the literal translation, "The Institute," if they want a shorthand way of referring to themselves when writing to the CIA? With Soviet intel we called it KGB after its anglicized name, Komitet Gosudarstvennoi Besopasnosti. We didn't translate it into an Americanized, CSS- Committee for State Security or anything comparable to RSIA - Russian Secret Intelligence Agency. See how goofy that is to call Israeli Intel, ISIS?
Why doesn't ISIS attack Israel? If you are a boxer-wannabee who's having trouble beating the guys in your neighborhood, you don't go pick a fight with Mike Tyson. Israel has kicked the butt of everyone in the region...repeatedly.
Your posts are a rehash of lots of anti-Semtic garbage. I didn't waste my time with most of it because your mind does not appear to be open to critical thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 22:17:47 GMT
well I read most of the first piece of useless junk. I didn't see hardly any facts, mostly just questions and wild speculation. Which is the typical trade of the conspiracy nuts. Rather than critically think and understand that there are things he is ignorant of, the conspiracy nut sees the question as proof of some wild eyed fiction. Where did a bunch of Toyotas come from? I don't know. It proves nothing. The US ships 1000s of vehicles out of Miami to the mid east all the time. I'm in that port several times a year and see all the used vehicles waiting loading for ME and Africa. When I go to auctions, the biggest competition comes from online buyers shipping cars, trucks, and heavy equipment to ME. If the US or Israeli intelligence were leading ISIS, don't you think they would be smart enough to pick random vehicles, makes, models off the out bound ships? See, that's a big failing of the conspiracy nuts, they require that the conspirators be both massively intelligent in order to pull of the grand slight of hand, but then be dumb as rocks to purposely show their hand. Like #10, naming your grand super secret organization after your own org's acronym. I got a ROFL out of that one. Surely someone in Mossad or CIA might have thought better if the acronym pointed back at themselves.
And then to believe all this bunk without doing any independent verification is again showing that someone isn't willing to do the slightest bit of questioning of his conspiracy beliefs. It took me <30 seconds to prove #10 is just nothing but a goof made up by somebody who probably lives in his mother's basement.
Look up wiki Mossad. The official language of Israel is Hebrew and Mossad is called, Mossad (Hebrew: הַמוֹסָד, IPA: [ha moˈsad]; Arabic: الموساد, al-Mōsād, IPA: [almoːˈsaːd]; literally meaning "the Institute"), short for HaMossad leModiʿin uleTafkidim Meyuḥadim (Hebrew: המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים, meaning "Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations"), is the national intelligence agency of Israel.
The acronym for Israeli Intel is NOT ISIS except is conspiracy circles. If you want to use Anglo letters for the Hebrew name, the acronym would be something like HMUM but that's just a guess. And with an Anglicized name for Israeli Intelligence, then its acronym is IISO. Why wouldn't they simply call themselves the literal translation, "The Institute," if they want a shorthand way of referring to themselves when writing to the CIA? With Soviet intel we called it KGB after its anglicized name, Komitet Gosudarstvennoi Besopasnosti. We didn't translate it into an Americanized, CSS- Committee for State Security or anything comparable to RSIA - Russian Secret Intelligence Agency. See how goofy that is to call Israeli Intel, ISIS? Why doesn't ISIS attack Israel? If you are a boxer-wannabee who's having trouble beating the guys in your neighborhood, you don't go pick a fight with Mike Tyson. Israel has kicked the butt of everyone in the region...repeatedly. Your posts are a rehash of lots of anti-Semtic garbage. I didn't waste my time with most of it because your mind does not appear to be open to critical thinking. Why don't you ask the office of the Israeli Prime Minister why, when writing or otherwise communicating with their American and British counterparts, the Israeli Mossad refers to itself as Israeli Secret Intelligence Service, as the authors of, Every Spy A Prince, Dan Raviv and Yossi Melman (both Jews), did? This is far from conspiracy. I'll take the answer of the office of the Israeli Prime Minister, under which authority for MOSSAD falls, as did these two respected authors, before the opinion of someone online.
I think if the poverty stricken Palestinians can mount attacks on Israel, it looks more than a little suspicious that the most fanatical, well-funded and well-equiped Muslim army in quite some time could not do something more than nothing (not that I want such a thing to happen).
Hurling names, like anti-Semitic, about is the easy and, quite frankly, the liberal thing to do. I wonder how those Jewish authors would feel about your characterization. Mr. Melman fought in the Israeli Defense Forces, and he believes the office of the Israeli Prime Minister is correct. Why can't you believe it?
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Post by DEKE on Feb 18, 2017 23:55:59 GMT
Why don't you ask the office of the Israeli Prime Minister why, when writing or otherwise communicating with their American and British counterparts, the Israeli Mossad refers to itself as Israeli Secret Intelligence Service, as the authors of, Every Spy A Prince, Dan Raviv and Yossi Melman (both Jews), did? This is far from conspiracy. I'll take the answer of the office of the Israeli Prime Minister, under which authority for MOSSAD falls, as did these two respected authors, before the opinion of someone online. See, this is another case of a lack of critical thinking and it shows what is called reinforcement bias, or confirmation bias, or my side bias. These guys confirmed your theory so you believe them. Show me a non conspiracy site, some Israeli press, something which confirms what you want to believe other than these two guys who are selling a book. I've done a couple of searches and it just doesn't come up on any sort of independent news site. Or is it a MSM conspiracy to hide the truth from us? The thing is, those authors may be right, that ISIS does = Israeli secret service. But let's say you get that far. So what? What in the realm of those who breathe oxygen does it matter? Why would Israel be so stupid as to point the finger at themselves?
No, if you think about it, it doesn't look suspicious at all for the ISIS army not to attack Israel. Like the US, Israel would love for all its attackers to mount traditional army operations against it. The US and Israel can defend against, target, and destroy an army lots easier than we can fight against a few guys with primitive rockets and who hide in hospitals, orphanages, and under women's skirts.
but not as easy as failing to read for clarity. I did not call you anti-semitic. And saying something is liberal just because the information doesn't fit your bias is a silly thing to do.
I'll point out, because I'm sure this key point has escaped you, that I have not once said the CIA and/or Israel did not create ISIS. It's just that the silliness you've posted doesn't support your assertion. It's like if you say that gravity is caused by space aliens with ray guns powered by gold fish poop. Just because your reasoning is totally flawed, it doesn't disprove that gravity exists. As another analogy, it's like you are one of the people who accepts man made climate change hook line and sinker without ever bothering to question the evidence provided.
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Post by DEKE on Feb 19, 2017 0:02:11 GMT
Well, with our U.S. Government and MSM often proclaiming that America only does surgical airstrikes and, presumably, only precision drops of equipment, weapons, and other supplies, I believe one can only conclude that this was intentional. The numerous and all too frequent cases of battlefield fratricide proves that mistakes happen. So your theory is not well thought out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 19:34:26 GMT
Well, with our U.S. Government and MSM often proclaiming that America only does surgical airstrikes and, presumably, only precision drops of equipment, weapons, and other supplies, I believe one can only conclude that this was intentional. The numerous and all too frequent cases of battlefield fratricide proves that mistakes happen. So your theory is not well thought out. Yes, I am well aware of battlefield accidents and I was being a bit sarcastic. America likes to tout its precision bombing, while denigrating Russia for use of inaccurate 'barrel bombs' and hitting civilians. However, America has been known to hit hospitals and wedding parties, killing everyone all around, with 'smart bombs' and drones. I guess those were just accidents too.
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