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Post by BrewDaddy on Apr 3, 2019 3:03:24 GMT
Since this is more of a story than actually Firearms related I thought I would put it here.
From Ian over at Forgotten Weapons:
"Municion L.M.P. 1889: Paris Commune to Spanish Civil War"
I just can't believe he did this whole thing with a straight face.... 
bd
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Apr 3, 2019 13:29:50 GMT
BrewDaddy, Are you certain it's a gag? They're French you know.
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Post by blackfeather on Apr 3, 2019 17:14:41 GMT
The French would just say they are ahead of their time.
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Post by joebill on Apr 3, 2019 17:47:32 GMT
Looks like a BFR-50 to me, the numbers denoting the weight in kilos.....Joe
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Post by joebill on Apr 3, 2019 18:03:17 GMT
Reminds me of a 60 or so year old question I have long had for warriors that I have never got answered to my satisfaction. For a time, the old timey army surplus stores had cases and cases of little projectiles maybe 4 inches long, fins on the back, sharp on the nose. Only weighed a few ounces. I asked about them more than once, and always got told they were previously dumped out of aircraft over enemy ground troops, the only propellant being gravity.
SORT of made sense, but in all of the wartime literature I have ever read, never have I seen such a ting mentioned. It would make a good story if the clerks did not know what they were for, but maybe that was the straight poop on them. If so, imagine firing them towards the ground using a scoop shovel.
Anybody ever hear of them, and if so, what war?......Joe
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Post by BrewDaddy on Apr 3, 2019 18:41:58 GMT
I want to say I've heard of this but I can't say for sure. I'm a Patreon supporter at Forgotten Weapons so can submit questions and this sounds like a good candidate. If anyone would know, Ian would know.
I've often wondered why when over flying the enemy they don't spill out thousands and thousands of shards of metal, or pennies, or whatever and just blanket the area in shrapnel. Pennies might not work so great due to limited terminal velocity but reject ball bearings or other scrap might get up to a lethal velocity.
And for a PSY-OP effect, dump garbage or other really undesirable stuff all over them... it would be bad enough getting shot at but now get covered in banana peels and used toilet paper would make for a bad day.
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Post by DEKE on Apr 3, 2019 18:51:01 GMT
Joebill, that sounds like you are describing caltrops. The last time I had read of them being used in war was the Brits used them against Napoleon's cavalry. But I just found this wiki article and much to my surprise, they were still being used in WW2. Also they are a predecessor to the stop sticks used today by cops to end car chases. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caltrop |
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Post by joebill on Apr 4, 2019 0:54:07 GMT
Pretty sure not caltrops. Designed more like the 1950's movie version of a space ship, and not much doubt they were projectiles. Back then, they made a pot metal model of a bomb about 3 " long that fired a cap pistol cap when it hit the ground, and it looked a lot like them. That was a kid's war toy. We seem to have gotten away from those kinds of toys for some reason....  …...Joe |
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Post by Ellendra on Apr 4, 2019 15:18:11 GMT
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Post by joebill on Apr 8, 2019 1:06:52 GMT
You NAILED it, Ellendra! They were that "lazy dog" flechette. The forged or cast ones, not the turned ones...….Thanks......Joe |
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…...Joe
