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Post by tabitha on Apr 18, 2020 17:41:53 GMT
life goes on....
does anyone have a clue how this will continue? Will we go back to normal, being normal americans, or will they have utilized this situation to trim back what I call the "real America".
what do you predict that we are heading into?
Kassandra says, massive inflation will come trailing along after this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 18:34:53 GMT
I agree on the inflation. Higher prices on basic goods here already.
No, I don’t think things will ever go back to “normal”. The world as we knew it has ended BUT had it not ended after every major event? The world is not the same as it was prior to 9/11, it’s not the same as it was 2000, it’s not the same as it was... with every passing year/event.
I think our Rights have been slowly eroded since 1865 and in the last 20 years that erosion has picked up speed. Can it be stopped without blood shed? No, I don’t think so. Is anyone willing to shed blood to stop it? I don’t know. How many will risk losing everything as our ancestors did in 1776 and again in 1861? Each group rebelled against tyranny as they recognized it, one group established Constitutional government and 80 years later the other group fought to uphold it. We see the results of defeat now. A large, strong Federal government controls the States, therefore our lives. That is not what our Founders envisioned.
Can we ever go back to Normal? No, but we can make a new normal but how many Rights it will contain depends on us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 19:06:14 GMT
The End of the World As We Know It is here.
"Normal" is, more than ever, a setting on the clothes dryer.
As @wvfarmgirl noted, TPTB trashed the Constitution back in the (Un)Civil War, and things have been downhill ever since.
We'll see how much ground evil thinks it has gained in this mess. Now is not the time to become complacent.
Headed out to the garden.
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Post by blackfeather on Apr 18, 2020 20:18:30 GMT
If this is Kassandra's take, I have to say something so outrageous that no one will believe it. So here it is: The United States will be invaded across the southern boarder, but not by China or Russia, although Mexico will be in league with whoever it is. We will be too decimated by depression and civil unrest to stop them.
Of course this is unbelievable. As it should be.
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Apr 18, 2020 20:47:59 GMT
I don't see the current restrictions continuing past a cessation of numerous new cases. A restriction imposed past the direct threat would easily be overturned by the courts.
I do see a terrible economy ahead, in that the only things keeping the major financial institutions afloat is digital money and fanciful bookkeeping. They were in trouble before the virus, and the virus has just exasperated their conditions. It's not just their losses in equities, but their positions in derivatives that will sink the bunch. It's been estimated the unregulated, and for the most part invisible derivatives market is in total over a quadrillion dollars. When those dominoes start falling even the Fed and Central Banks can't digitize that much. That's a multiple of the world's total GDP.
China is the world's largest holder of physical gold, forget Russia, they're broke. But, even China has internal debt beyond it's capacity, and with a worldwide recession their export markets will go away.
My real fear, beyond hyperinflation in this country, is China's masses being slammed into poverty after decades of somewhat middle class living. Historically, oppressive governments answer to internal discord is to unite their people's nationalism with a war. A conflict with a minor player like Vietnam or Korea over territorial waters wouldn't suffice, it would have to be a big player, us. If they spark a conflict with Japan we'd be pulled into it, and they wouldn't really care if it went nuclear, they've got people to spare.
Of course, I could be wrong, why, I remember back in '68........
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 22:19:36 GMT
Ozarks Tom, what do you think of Russia's games with their plane jockeys making incredibly unsafe maneuvers directed at US aircraft in international space?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 22:41:43 GMT
The Russians are notorious for those unsafe maneuvers. I don't know if there is a purpose. Usually we file a complaint with Moscow and they either ignore it or blame the pilot. Might just be Putin's idea of fun to mess with us a bit. Maybe something more nefarious.
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Apr 18, 2020 23:54:47 GMT
Putin's ego. Nobody's paying any attention to the little guy, it's his way of pouting. His riff with the Saudis has made a huge dent in Russia's economy, but he's got the Saudis to blame for their money problems.
Sort of like the misinformation planted by Russian intelligence that started the Steele dossier, he does his best to pull on the tiger's tail, he's a nuisance but not much more. All hat and no cattle.
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Post by tabitha on Apr 19, 2020 0:34:40 GMT
what will the effects of hyperinflation be on this country? riots, fighting in the streets, desperate families....? long term
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Apr 19, 2020 1:53:34 GMT
Hyperinflation is a side effect of an economic collapse. If this country's economy collapses, so does the rest of the world's. Short term, societal collapse follows with all the savagery a person would expect from desperate people. Eventually, two scenarios are equally possible. One, feudalism within countries reminiscent of the dark ages. The other a reestablishment of Constitutional government and a solid underpinning of a monetary standard. We already have the blueprint for the latter, but whether or not we'll have the unity to put it in place is the question.
Authority doesn't like to be questioned, and with authority comes force. Hyperinflation will breed desperate people willing to bow to authority for existence. We'd best hope there are enough people of character unwilling to bend a knee to despotism and continue our two century plus experiment in personal freedom and liberty.
In the meantime, when we hear the words "bank holiday" we'd best have our three B's already together.
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Post by joebill on Apr 21, 2020 1:43:01 GMT
You gotta wonder just how much effect hyperinflation could have on the high percentage of citizens today who don't have enough cash to buy a new water heater.
Tell them their net worth has gone down 80% over night, they say "well DANG!...that only leaves me with $19.99." They have been living on credit so long, cash values have no meaning to them.
I dunno what will guide those who discarded logic from their lives long ago....Joe
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Post by DEKE on Apr 21, 2020 2:51:59 GMT
Ozarks Tom , what do you think of Russia's games with their plane jockeys making incredibly unsafe maneuvers directed at US aircraft in international space? I'm not worried about it because it is nothing new. They have been doing various versions of this for decades with their planes, ships, and subs.
Back in the 70s, their subs used to come dangerously close to US ships and subs. We started dropping thumpers on their subs. It was a device that, IIRC, magnetically attached to the subs and was nothing but a small sledge hammer that pounded against the sub shell once every minute or so until the batteries wore out.
In the world of subs, silence is everything. Inside the sub, that hammer blow was magnified a 1000 times over and drove the sailors batty. US ships could easily track the sound of that hammer from many miles away. The only way to get rid of the thumper was to surface and send a sailor over the side to psychically remove it. That further gave away the location of the sub.
The soviets said if we did it again, it would be an act of war. The US said, keep your subs away from our ships. Both sides got what they wanted but we got more because we were able to create sound fingerprints of every sub we thumped such that they could later be identified and tracked by all NATO ships and listening stations all over the world.
All subs leaving northern Russia have to travel between a couple of geographical funnels on the north side of the UK. We have listening pods all over the sea bed in those areas to track their subs, or at least we used to. Because of the thumpers, we knew exactly what sub we were listening to.
During the Reagan years, the Libyans attempted to intimidate US navy planes and ships in much the same manner. We told them no more and the next time they tried it over the Gulf of Sidra off the northern coast of Libya, two Libyan planes ended up in the ocean.
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Post by fordy on Apr 21, 2020 3:09:43 GMT
..............Trump has supposedly made a deal with Russia and Saudi Arabia to reduce their oil production to help raise the price per barrel to help US oil producers ! So , given all the sanctions we've put on them , WHY would Russia make a deal with Trump UNLESS Trump has secretly reduced those sanctions ? ...............You'll take note NO details have been released on this 'Deal' that I'm aware of so we can assume those sanctions have been reduced significantly ! ...............AS far as pontificating relative to future events is anyone's guess ! Most likely there is going to very high unemployment , initially at least until small business can re establish itself to produce products and services for markets that may or may not return due to customers who are unemployed . Businesses who moved to China may return to the USA to produce their products even though their cost of production will be higher , but , the consuming public should be willing to pay those higher retail prices , because it's made in the USA ! ...............To try too project future outcomes from current economic conditions is just simply too complex to even think about ! Should the Democrats achieve political power there could be mass revolt against their legislative agenda to remove guns and mags that have been purchased legally ! Lots of blood could be shed before we reach a solution acceptable to both political p[arties . , fordy
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Post by joebill on Apr 22, 2020 0:10:45 GMT
No solution will ever be acceptable to both parties. The left will pretend to accept one until it is signed, then go right back to denigrating it and pushing for more for their agenda. It is the way they operate. I had not snapped to one detail of the price dropping out of the bottom of the oil market until just now. You gotta wonder what this is doing to our Russian "good buddies". Might cause big Troooble with the roooble...what a pity... …..Joe
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Post by tabitha on Apr 25, 2020 17:39:42 GMT
so that is a prediction by you?
When the part came out that christians were not to congregate, not even in parking lots, I said, wait until Ramadan, they'll ease up. Yep, happening in Germany.
Kassandra says, things won't go back to normal. Hyperinflation. spend your money for what you need. So I took Kassandra's advice and wanted to buy a new tiller. (notice I mentioned in what did you do, that mine is broken). Not a tiller to be found!!! Lots of lawnmowers, not a single tiller.
Kassandra says, folks are worried and want to start growing food. at least for a while.
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