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Post by farmrbrown on Jun 5, 2020 21:55:53 GMT
I don't know if this story provides more info. townhall.com/tipsheet/cortnbuffalo-mayor-on-why-the-officers-in-shocking-video-didnt-assist-elderly-man-In addition to the injuries to the man, I find this part disturbing "Buffalo police only made matters worse with their first statement about the incident, in which they asserted that the man "tripped and fell." The mayor admitted that was an erroneous statement and they corrected it once more information came out." I'm willing to wait for more info, but if we find out some cop reported the man "tripped and fell" then he needs to lose his job because he filed a false report. If Flynn can go to jail for lying to the FBI, the police can go to jail for lying to us. Too many times we've seen police file false reports that get changed only when video evidence forces the dept to admit there was a cover up. I got a "404 error" on that link but this one had some more info too. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/05/buffalo-officers-suspended-shoving-man/I guess the "trip and fell" statement came from fellow officers and not the ones directly involved in the incident. Still not good, but I think that means they didn't criminally file a false report. Either they got it wrong because they were behind them and couldn't see what happened OR they automatically gave an alibi out of habit. It's amazing how many times a year inmates get injured in the shower when they "slip on a bar of soap." It also means that although most of us understand why it's dangerous to have careless hand movements around testy cops, if the reaction wasn't questionable, why not be confident enough to stand behind what you did without trying to "enhance" the story? If you felt it was justified, why say he fell all by himself? I think it shows the same guilt that anyone feels when they caught doing something wrong.
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Jun 5, 2020 22:49:01 GMT
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Post by blackfeather on Jun 5, 2020 23:26:51 GMT
Update, first they guy that fell is talking and alert. Secondly the entire team of police that were assigned to the protest control unit has resigned from that unit in protest how these officers are being treated. (They are still police, only resigned from the protest unit) Their argument is they were following orders to clear the street from higher up.
we have re-watched the video, We noticed that the young officer only pushed the protester when he heard other officers from behind yelling for him to move. I suspect he felt he wasn't doing his job in the light of what he heard from behind so he pushed the man out of the way. Also the officer circled back to see and you can see his body language of lowering his head. It doesn't look like he intended for this man to fall.
I think this comes down to a misunderstanding of what the police are. The police are there to protect the thin veneer of civilization, so the government can extort money by taxation. They can't tax if there is anarchy. This benefits us but they don't really care about us they care about themselves. The police are there to enforce government edicts, to throw people out of their homes if they fail to pay property taxes. To catch our little mistakes when we drive to raise money for the government. To bust heads if need be to protect government property. Criminals are profitable to government, so government makes laws to make more of us criminals and the police are their goon squad to enforce their laws to generate money. Some of this is beneficial to us so we put up with it. So don't be surprised when the police act like goons, they are and they are trained to be that way. They are government enforcers. The problem isn't police it is the government that cares more about itself than serving the people, and this isn't going to change. When the police cost more than they are worth they'll cut their budget and throw them under the bus for political reasons if need be but the real problem will remain and that is the elite that want to feather their nest with power and money.
So all these protests against the police is just a distraction from the elite, better to protest the police than them. The sad thing is the police are fooled into thinking if they follow orders they are heroes and they are protecting the people, while in part true, their main purpose is obscured from them. My brother in law who was an officer referred to police as the Praetorian Guard, body guard to the elite. He probably wasn't far off.
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Post by DEKE on Jun 6, 2020 0:52:00 GMT
I got a "404 error" on that link but this one had some more info too. link fixed
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Post by Tricky Grama on Jun 6, 2020 12:28:39 GMT
Yeah, the 'tripped & fell' thing got me too. But he's pointing-'jabbing'? w/his cell phone, what's that about...
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Post by woody on Jun 6, 2020 14:39:28 GMT
All the police, after the cop pushed the man and he fell, had the weirdest looks on their faces: confusion (should we stop & help?) or should we just lie and say he tripped. How silly of them, there were videos of the man being pushed & then he fell. They really thought they could get away with "he tripped.") One cops face, young man, looked so concerned as he looked back at the man on the ground, but kept following his partners.
I still cannot make out what the man had in his hand, a cell phone, a piece of paper? It looked to me like he wanted to talk to a policeman, very stupid thing to do in a riot.
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Post by blackfeather on Jun 6, 2020 17:33:22 GMT
All the police, after the cop pushed the man and he fell, had the weirdest looks on their faces: confusion (should we stop & help?) or should we just lie and say he tripped. How silly of them, there were videos of the man being pushed & then he fell. They really thought they could get away with "he tripped.") One cops face, young man, looked so concerned as he looked back at the man on the ground, but kept following his partners. I still cannot make out what the man had in his hand, a cell phone, a piece of paper? It looked to me like he wanted to talk to a policeman, very stupid thing to do in a riot. It is important to note that protocol calls for no one but medical personnel to touch a wounded person. They had an EMT on stand by at the event. If the man had broken his neck or back having a non-medical person touching him could have made things worse, so they left him alone till the professional medical people could handle him. It has come out that the officer who pushed him was told by officers behind him to move him out of the way. He was following orders, he appears to be a young officer. Then again what is a 75 year old doing getting in their face, still think he's protesting the Vietnam war? Some people never grow up. The interesting thing is the Buffalo police are standing behind this young officer, they don't care what the world is saying or what the news media is saying, that is the attitude around here. The officer will get off with only a wrist slap, it was clearly an accident, he only intended to move him out of the way the old guy got his feet tangled and fell. Nothing like an old liberal. There is the old french saying “He who is not a liberal at twenty compels one to doubt the generosity of his heart; but he who, after thirty, persists, compels one to doubt the soundness of his mind.”
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Post by Thtwudbeme on Jun 6, 2020 18:04:01 GMT
All the police, after the cop pushed the man and he fell, had the weirdest looks on their faces: confusion (should we stop & help?) or should we just lie and say he tripped. How silly of them, there were videos of the man being pushed & then he fell. They really thought they could get away with "he tripped.") One cops face, young man, looked so concerned as he looked back at the man on the ground, but kept following his partners. I still cannot make out what the man had in his hand, a cell phone, a piece of paper? It looked to me like he wanted to talk to a policeman, very stupid thing to do in a riot.
To be honest I also thought the look on the faces of the cops was confusion, but to me it seemed that they were more confused about why the guy was falling down like he was spastic or something.
I empathize with him having been injured, but there is no intelligent or logical reason for him to have approached the police in that manner at that time.
People are screaming for the cops to be charged (and they now have been) and the DA is publicly stating that the cops "crossed a line". What about the lines being crossed by those that are rioting, looting, shooting, burning, assaulting, etc? Way too many are just being released with no charges filed.
Pretty soon the cops are just going to throw up their hands and walk away which is when the fun will really begin.
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Post by blackfeather on Jun 6, 2020 19:55:46 GMT
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Jun 7, 2020 20:54:52 GMT
Apparently not everything is what it appears:
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Post by DEKE on Jun 7, 2020 22:24:08 GMT
Apparently not everything is what it appears: I have no idea if that piece is a bunch of excuse making for the cop behavior or real. As i said about the video, I'm waiting for better info.
What I object to is even if the guy was trying to capture some sort of communication signal from the cops, so what? How is that different than the police scanners people used to have in the 70s and 80s? Some used to listen to the cop radios to aid in their criminal activities, but lots of people just looked at it as entertainment, sort of like watching a COPS episode. You have every right to pick up those signals if you can figure out how. The guy might be scum, probably is, but doesn't take away his rights.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 0:52:46 GMT
Interesting Ozarks Tom. I wonder if the guy was a plant to try and stir up more trouble and controversy against the law enforcement community?
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Jun 8, 2020 1:13:10 GMT
Interesting Ozarks Tom . I wonder if the guy was a plant to try and stir up more trouble and controversy against the law enforcement community?
No, I'd guess he's an old hippie who's lost his ponytail, and still wanted to be significant to the radicals a third of his age. Sort of the self thought elder statesman of radicalism.
Some people mellow with age, while others yearn for their glory days of leading the cult.
As I said earlier, it appeared to me that he was 75% at fault. Trying to obstruct a line of cops on their way to put down a disturbance tells me he was looking for trouble, but got more than he expected.
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