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Post by wildhorseluvr on Aug 13, 2020 14:30:07 GMT
Hundreds of protestors gathered to protest ICE arrests and block DHS vans from leaving the hotel parking lot with "hard working members of the community." A Bend city councilor was there using her car to block DHS vans, and Andy Ngo reported the DA was there joining the occupation.
(Andy Ngo referred to the community members as "violent illegal foreign nationals.) Local news was heavily slanted in favor of the detainees..."brave children, crying mothers, emotional trauma being inflicted", ad nauseam.
This even made the New York Times.
This is close to me. We are so screwed.
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Post by daw on Aug 13, 2020 14:58:37 GMT
That is getting closer to where I lived . I am not sorry I
left Oregon but I did love the desert like no other home
I had.
But Ontario was getting over run with violent gay/lesbians.
Be safe!!
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Aug 13, 2020 15:39:30 GMT
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Post by willowgirl on Aug 13, 2020 17:27:51 GMT
I wonder who will end up on the right and wrong sides of history here.
I'm a dairy farm worker. I've worked side-by-side with Mexican immigrants, some of whom were undoubtedly here illegally. I have found them to be nice people and hard workers. It's no mystery to me as to why farmers would rather employ them than the kinds of Americans who are desperate enough to take low-paying, low-prestige farm jobs.
At the same time, their presence here depresses wages and working conditions for people like me. Why hire an American who expects to work "on the books" and won't be satisfied taking out part of their pay in trade for "housing" in a 1970s singlewide trailer with a communal bathhouse shared by dozens of people?
I have seen a farmer lose his Mexican workforce and turn around and hire Americans who did the job. I don't know whether they were as cheap or efficient as the workers they replaced, but I suspect they were not. OTOH, the farmer didn't go out of business.
So I can see both sides of the issue.
Also, it's easy to talk about things in the abstract, about policies and laws, but what if the person being deported is the next-door neighbor whom you've lived alongside peacefully for years? Talking over the fence, swapping seeds from your gardens? Maybe your kids went to school and played together with theirs? When the black van pulls up in their driveway and they're hauled away in handcuffs, what should your response be? I can honestly say I don't know the answer to that question.
I do think, if we're going to have strict immigration policies, they should be just that -- strictly enforced. If people don't like the outcome, they can always rewrite the laws. The lax stance we've historically taken, winking at illegal immigration, is the real problem, IMO. It allows people to come here and build lives with the reasonable expectation that they (and their children) will be allowed to stay. To begin enforcing the law years or even decades after the fact is cruel and has especially put young people -- the "Dreamers" in a real bind. It didn't have to be this way.
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Aug 13, 2020 17:59:45 GMT
The very fact that these two guys had warrants out against them means they've committed crimes. Crimes are generally against their communities, even drunk driving. For their communities to want them freed to commit more crimes in their midst is illogical.
From everything I've read, ICE doesn't bother with shoplifters or breaking into cars. They generally go after repeat drunk drivers, violence/weapon involved assaults, and the more serious infractions of the law.
Haven't we all read articles about crimaliens with repeat drunken driving convictions driving without a license and killing people? How happy would that DA be if one of those men got drunk and ran head-on into his wife and kids?
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Aug 13, 2020 18:28:28 GMT
willowgirl, There are two problems with illegal immigration at play. One, illegals working for low wages, while the other is the fact it's more profitable for Americans to draw welfare than work for those wages. With our spinless politicians and general racial animus in this country there's no way the second can be fixed, and without fixing it there's no way to fix the first. I've related this story before, but it's worth repeating. When I needed workers for my wood floor pattern manufacturing facility I'd run ads in the help wanted section of the Dallas Morning News in their Sunday edition. Monday morning both our phone lines would ring simultaneously all morning. We were paying roughly $2.50 over minimum wage to stand on the stupid side of a saw and catch/stack boards. Everyone that called wanted to know three things, the name of the company, the address, and my name. It was obvious they were filling out their unemployment/welfare forms as I gave them the information. Many would make appointments, but rarely would anyone show up. We had a Mexican helper who had a green card that had worked for us for a few years, and asked him if he knew anyone who might want the jobs. Before long our shop was full, drawing our already above scale wages, and working at good speed with very few absences. Of course, several had the same Social Security numbers, but at that point I just didn't care. I'd had the choice of either pricing myself out of business against my competitors, probably paying triple minimum wage, refuse to increase already fair wages and watching tens of thousands of dollars of equipment sit, or hiring those who would work. As far as I can tell, the two problems are intractable, but that doesn't mean criminals should be allowed to stay.
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Post by Jolly on Aug 13, 2020 18:51:54 GMT
The fix is to make sure the illegals are not hire-able. Keep them out and positively nuke anybody that hires them.
When I say nuke, I mean lose your business and go to jail.
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Post by wildhorseluvr on Aug 13, 2020 19:58:43 GMT
I am just so fed up with the protests, especially in my backyard. Been working at the farmhouse nearly 5 hours trying to get over my mad but all that did was give me time to think, which just made me even madder. Definitely getting a Trump sign for my pasture now, maybe half a dozen signs (I'm on a main road). Then see if I can squeeze my budget enough to send a decent sized check to the Trump campaign. Then buy a Trump T-shirt and MAGA ball cap...and wear them to Bend.
We had more protests in my town last weekend again, one of my DDs was there and said some of the protestors were getting in the cops faces. (There were some arrests.) I am just plain POd...with the protestors, the slimy politicians, the whole bit. 😠
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Post by Txsteader on Aug 13, 2020 20:19:54 GMT
Law and order. Can't have order with laws. No laws = chaos & anarchy.
Illegals knew they were breaking the law when they came here. And they had to have known the risks involved, the possibility of being caught/deported.
Being arrested/deported is the price they pay for taking that chance.
Unless.....they were being told by certain elements within our government that they would be allowed to stay and given citizenship.
So, do we uphold the laws or do we ignore the laws when we can't change them to fit our beliefs?
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Post by wildhorseluvr on Aug 13, 2020 20:58:36 GMT
The two men were wanted on warrants and had engaged in past violent behavior, according to U.S Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Gov. Brown is now condemning the Border Patrol (and Trump of course), for the protest. "In Oregon, we welcome and include everyone who calls this state home."
She can have all the illegals and criminals...in her backyard.
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Post by tarbe on Aug 13, 2020 23:32:40 GMT
Definitely getting a Trump sign for my pasture now, maybe half a dozen signs (I'm on a main road). Then see if I can squeeze my budget enough to send a decent sized check to the Trump campaign. Then buy a Trump T-shirt and MAGA ball cap...and wear them to Bend. Your post reminded me of a sign on 5 Highway, about 9 miles as the car drives from my place in Ozark County. I think the comment "THRU 3030" has a double meaning!   |
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Aug 14, 2020 2:06:02 GMT
tarbe, Yup, definitely not a typo, I love it.
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Post by tarbe on Aug 14, 2020 2:35:31 GMT
tarbe , Yup, definitely not a typo, I love it. lol I'm thinking this is a neighbor I will want to meet at some point! |
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Post by willowgirl on Aug 14, 2020 4:36:15 GMT
Yup!
Edited to add: But I really don't blame ordinary folks for cutting themselves the best deal they can. I blame the system, which was set up by the highly educated people in power, who should have known better.
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Post by farmerjack41 on Aug 14, 2020 5:07:31 GMT
About two years ago, King county (Seattle) stopped ICE planes from landing there. So now they bus them from Tacoma to Yakima, to board the plane. Every human rights group in the country show up and film the moving folks from the bus to the plane. If they make them walk to fast, or if the sun is too hot, complaints are filed.
An attempt was made to make Yakima stop the planes from coming in, but Yakima is so money hungry they could not loose what they charge for the plane to land.
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