Is France Setting A Bad Example?

[Ozarks Tom]

This is a two part problem I'd like some input on.

First, okay I get it, France needed to shut down borders and set up checkpoints in a hurry.  They needed more guns than what the police have, so they brought out the troops.  They started a curfew, not sure why, but it's what governments do when they get rattled.  The raids on suspected terrorists is taking a lot of manpower, so the troops are doing a lot of the heavy lifting.  The unofficial martial law, known as a "State of Emergency" was to last maybe a week, but now President Hollande is going to the Parliament asking for an extension of the SoE for another 90 days.  From the reports I've heard he'll get it.

Why the need for an extension?  Did they need an emergency to raid the suspected terrorists?  Reports are they found everything from fully auto AK-47s to a rocket launcher.  If they had these people under surveillance why not roust them long ago?  It's announced they did about 160 raids in France and Belgium yesterday and today.  Are they planning on that many for the next 90 days?

Second, and here's where my devious (paranoid?) mind comes into play.  We can pretty much assume we'll have an incident of at least this magnitude, probably bigger in this country.  We've already seen the type of military style police action in Boston when they were looking for just one man, imagine several cities with multiple events.  The NDAA allows the President to lock the country down under certain "State of Emergency" (there's than phrase again) conditions.  Well, there's the condition.  The FBI said months ago they had over 1000 investigations going on people with suspected connections to terrorists.  It might take a week to round most of those folks up.

Now, how far a stretch is it to assume they'd expand the definition of terrorist to include what they've called "domestic terrorists" in the past?  Their definition includes everything from veterans to people who openly support following the Constitution.  If, for instance, due to the public outrage towards muslims and their masacre of hundreds of Americans, some yokels start shooting convenience store clerks and setting fire to mosques.  Would that be cause enough to start rounding up patriots?  With today's databases, a checkpoint could routinely stop someone, put their name through the database, and if you've bought bulk ammo, dried foods, and candles you're hauled off?

I don't put it past this administration to allow a series to muslim terrorist attacks to get the ball rolling.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not a 911 truther, I think those Saudis were really that good, and we were really that bad.  But at the same time my trust in our government is below water, and I think obama could walk under a snake's belly with a hat on.  Does anyone else see how easily the situation could be expanded?

[paisley]

France constitutional..... like Sweden does duel citizenship deal.

Citizens hold do different rights and obligations than say... illegal aliens, refugees,or invaders terrorizing..

As such I see where with out addressing that duel citizenship could be used as a weapon against barring those who are legally duel yet their heart belongs to Satan.

Carefully writing to protect the true intent of that clause without putting the nation at risk.


Pray the learned from.our folly over the patriot act.

[sawmilljim]

Thing is propaganda is legal,so find out who own the media, they only cover what they want to cover .Then most of what they report is propaganda .My opinion is due to things happening in the East it could effect the plans, they were going to implement. Or they are still on plan but I have missed reading the right signals. Thing people don't get is the dollar is in trouble our Gov. is owned by the bankers, they don't want to lose their power.

Another thing is the 911 deal most all the laws implemented were drafted years in advance of the event ,just waiting to be implemented . Sorry Tom but those guys trained in a small plane so moving up to pilot of a jet that size defies all reason even for fast learners. And to scare building 7 so bad it fell is defying all laws.

What they proved with 911 was that they still could control the people by fear and get any laws they wanted passed or any war declared. Thing is they know the mind set of the people and used that against them ,just another example of it an't what happened that counts but what you can convince people that happened that counts . At this point even if the Gov admitted they imploded those buildings ,people would stay with their set believes same as people believe there are moderate Muslims or a friendly rattlesnakes .

[Txsteader]

Nothing is a stretch in this day and age. Just remember that they're all textbook megalomaniacs and you have your answer.

[themotherhen]

Nov 17, 2015 3:32:15 GMT Ozarks Tom said:

This is a two part problem I'd like some input on.

First, okay I get it, France needed to shut down borders and set up checkpoints in a hurry.  They needed more guns than what the police have, so they brought out the troops.  They started a curfew, not sure why, but it's what governments do when they get rattled.  The raids on suspected terrorists is taking a lot of manpower, so the troops are doing a lot of the heavy lifting.  The unofficial martial law, known as a "State of Emergency" was to last maybe a week, but now President Hollande is going to the Parliament asking for an extension of the SoE for another 90 days.  From the reports I've heard he'll get it.

Why the need for an extension?  Did they need an emergency to raid the suspected terrorists?  Reports are they found everything from fully auto AK-47s to a rocket launcher.  If they had these people under surveillance why not roust them long ago?  It's announced they did about 160 raids in France and Belgium yesterday and today.  Are they planning on that many for the next 90 days?

Second, and here's where my devious (paranoid?) mind comes into play.  We can pretty much assume we'll have an incident of at least this magnitude, probably bigger in this country.  We've already seen the type of military style police action in Boston when they were looking for just one man, imagine several cities with multiple events.  The NDAA allows the President to lock the country down under certain "State of Emergency" (there's than phrase again) conditions.  Well, there's the condition.  The FBI said months ago they had over 1000 investigations going on people with suspected connections to terrorists.  It might take a week to round most of those folks up.

Now, how far a stretch is it to assume they'd expand the definition of terrorist to include what they've called "domestic terrorists" in the past?  Their definition includes everything from veterans to people who openly support following the Constitution.  If, for instance, due to the public outrage towards muslims and their masacre of hundreds of Americans, some yokels start shooting convenience store clerks and setting fire to mosques.  Would that be cause enough to start rounding up patriots?  With today's databases, a checkpoint could routinely stop someone, put their name through the database, and if you've bought bulk ammo, dried foods, and candles you're hauled off?

I don't put it past this administration to allow a series to muslim terrorist attacks to get the ball rolling.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not a 911 truther, I think those Saudis were really that good, and we were really that bad.  But at the same time my trust in our government is below water, and I think obama could walk under a snake's belly with a hat on.  Does anyone else see how easily the situation could be expanded?

Husband and I were discussing just this scenario and we agree that it wouldn't take much for things to escalate quickly. DH tends to think that any sentinel event would happen closer to the election next year. We have spoken with friends and family regarding preparations.
"Obama could walk under a snake's belly with a hat on"- I had not heard that one before, I like it!

[blackfeather]

Every "terrorist" attack is followed by more restriction of freedoms. I have come to the conclusion that Muslims are seen as useful idiots for those who want to grab power. It is called order out of chaos.

Engineered chaos serves several purposes. It provides distraction and cover for the elites to implement other plans that they would rather not have noticed.

It also provides a scapegoat for the masses, who are now divided against each other. When violent changes are implemented that produce destructive consequences, the people must be placated with an easily identifiable villain. Certain changes globalists wish to make in the way the world functions require the careful exploitation of scapegoats.

www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-15/order-out-chaos-doctrine-runs-world

As the sinister Rahm Emanuel famously said: “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.”

I'm not sure if I believe everything the article said, but the quoted principle above is sound.

911- The only thing I know for sure is the Deputy Secretary of State Steven Pieczenik when he left his job after Bush 2, said that the White House knew in advance an attack was to occur and told the military who tried to warn him to stand down. His site... pieczenik.blogspot.com/

[blackfeather]

EU head quarters in Brussels announces crackdown on gun ownership

President Juncker said: "The recent terrorist attacks on Europe's people and values were coordinated across borders, showing that we must work together to resist these threats. Today's proposal, prepared jointly by Commissioners El?bieta Bie?kowska and Dimitris Avramopoulos, will help us tackle the threat of weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. We are proposing stricter controls on sale and registration of firearms, and stronger rules to irrevocably deactivate weapons. We will also come forward with an Action Plan in the near future to tackle illicit arms trafficking. Organised criminals accessing and trading military grade firearms in Europe cannot and will not be tolerated."

They are already pretty much disarmed now what little they do have will be taken away. More freedoms gone!

As for whether this "Crack down" by Brussels bureaucrats will put even the tiniest dent in the procurement of weapons by ISIS, we have just one word: Chicago.

[Ozarks Tom]

Until 2006 Belgium has fairly lax gun laws, I don't know if fully automatic weapons were allowed, but there weren't many restrictions. So where did the terrorists attack? Paris - a gun free zone.

[blackfeather]

For what its worth... www.intellihub.com/confirmed-emergency-personnel-conducted-simulated-mass-shooting-drill-just-hours-before-paris-terror-attacks/

Over the years alternative media researchers have documented the key fact that during many high-profile terror attacks, including 9/11 and 7/7, authorities themselves were running simulated attack drills at or near the exact time of the actual attacks.

This fact has become a sort of litmus test for independent researchers when attempting to determine if an act of terror being blamed on outside terrorists was actually a false flag attack carried out by the very people tasked with responding to it. ...... Does the confirmation that a mass shooting exercise took place on the same day of the attacks point to a classic false flag or were the Paris attacks solely the work of actual ISIS operatives?

[sawmilljim]

Nov 20, 2015 4:07:58 GMT blackfeather said:

For what its worth... www.intellihub.com/confirmed-emergency-personnel-conducted-simulated-mass-shooting-drill-just-hours-before-paris-terror-attacks/

Over the years alternative media researchers have documented the key fact that during many high-profile terror attacks, including 9/11 and 7/7, authorities themselves were running simulated attack drills at or near the exact time of the actual attacks.

This fact has become a sort of litmus test for independent researchers when attempting to determine if an act of terror being blamed on outside terrorists was actually a false flag attack carried out by the very people tasked with responding to it. ...... Does the confirmation that a mass shooting exercise took place on the same day of the attacks point to a classic false flag or were the Paris attacks solely the work of actual ISIS operatives?

Lots of odd happenings I have seen . Witnesses said the shooters looked white ? How did the French Prez slink out with his herd of body guards without notice . Why would he not been the main target ? Why didn't a few of the Prez's body guards engage the shooters? How many times have anyone ever been to a large event with no cops milling about ?  Why was a passport lying on the floor and not in his pocket ?

It is odd to me that NATO is having trouble getting their war on Assad carried out, they need someone other than just the US there fighting against Russia Iran and Putin's alleys . Make no mistake ISIS is O's creation along with the FSA .At some point those fighting Assad are going to encounter Russian fire power . The US is determined to over throw a elected leader of a sovereign country, they wanted ISIS and the FSA to do it before they stepped in but Putin out played the great O one more time .Now the question is who is going to kick start WWIII is it France or big zero ?


Get your preps ready it an't going to be pretty or turn out good .