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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 17:19:28 GMT
This video (below) contains a very good talk with two men who have done a lot of digging and research into the JFK assassination. Journalist Jim Marrs and Dr. Grover Proctor are featured. It makes me want to go out and buy a few more books. JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters Paperback – October 19, 2010 by James W. Douglass The Raleigh Call AND THE Fingerprints of Intelligence by Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr. (Revised, Updated, and Expanded to include declassified documents from the House Select Committee on Assassinations) 23 NOVEMBER 2014 — 15,265 WORDS Best Evidence (Signet) – November 1, 1992 by David S. Lifton Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy (Paperback - Revised Ed.); 2013 Edition by Jim Marrs Me & Lee: How I Came to Know, Love and Lose Lee Harvey Oswald Hardcover – September 16, 2010 by Judyth Vary Baker Rush To Judgement (1966) by Mark Lane, lawyer Plausible Denial: Was the CIA Involved in the Assassination of JFK?-November 1, 2011 by Mark Lane. New York: Thunder's Mouth Press, 416 pp. Dr. Grover Proctor's website: www.groverproctor.us/jfk/If they, the banksters, the military/industrial/intelligence/media complex, and other members of the government (politicians and police) could do it then, what makes any of us think, for one moment, that they could not do it again, against a popular and maverick president who does not carry out the will of the shadow government? Someone called in the other day to a conservative talk radio program I was listening to, explaining that the powers that be not only want to destroy President Trump, but they want a smoking crater left where he was standing, as an example to others. I believe he was speaking figuratively of political/character assassination, but clearly about a warning to all others who would even consider crossing Wall Street and the real political establishment in America. Some say the threat of assassination has been waved in the face of every U.S. President since JFK, essentially making America a banana republic. I think it is very likely true.  |
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Post by DEKE on Jul 24, 2017 17:46:39 GMT
The guy is named Marrs because he's from outer space. As are his ideas.
The problem with reading almost any book which takes a position on almost anything is that you get 300 -500 pages of convincing sounding info with no counterbalancing commentary. Unless you are an expert on the particular topic, you can't know what facts are real, relevant, and tested. Then when you have some gullible rube who desperately wants to believe just about every conspiracy that comes along, he swallows the whole narrative.
This is why some people are convinced science is settled on global warming. Or that grazing cattle are bad for the environment. Or that 9/11 was an inside gov't job. Or that JFK was killed in a vast conspiracy that crosses space, time, and reality as we know it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 17:51:22 GMT
The guy is named Marrs because he's from outer space. As are his ideas. The problem with reading almost any book which takes a position on almost anything is that you get 300 -500 pages of convincing sounding info with no counterbalancing commentary. Unless you are an expert on the particular topic, you can't know what facts are real, relevant, and tested. Then when you have some gullible rube who desperately wants to believe just about every conspiracy that comes along, he swallows the whole narrative. This is why some people are convinced science is settled on global warming. Or that grazing cattle are bad for the environment. Or that 9/11 was an inside gov't job. Or that JFK was killed in a vast conspiracy that crosses space, time, and reality as we know it. If you want counterbalance from the establishment, just go read The Warren Report.The Warren Report: The Official Report on the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy Hardcover – January 1, 1964Authors/CommitteeEarl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States (chairman) (1891–1974) Richard Russell, Jr. (D-Georgia), U.S. Senator, (1897–1971) John Sherman Cooper (R-Kentucky), U.S. Senator (1901–1991) Hale Boggs (D-Louisiana), U.S. Representative, House Majority Whip (1914–1972) Gerald Ford (R-Michigan), U.S. Representative (later 38th President of the United States), House Minority Leader (1913-2006) Allen Welsh Dulles, former Director of Central Intelligence and head of the Central Intelligence Agency (1893–1969) John J. McCloy, former President of the World Bank (1895–1989) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 18:11:28 GMT
The guy is named Marrs because he's from outer space. As are his ideas. The problem with reading almost any book which takes a position on almost anything is that you get 300 -500 pages of convincing sounding info with no counterbalancing commentary. Unless you are an expert on the particular topic, you can't know what facts are real, relevant, and tested. Then when you have some gullible rube who desperately wants to believe just about every conspiracy that comes along, he swallows the whole narrative. This is why some people are convinced science is settled on global warming. Or that grazing cattle are bad for the environment. Or that 9/11 was an inside gov't job. Or that JFK was killed in a vast conspiracy that crosses space, time, and reality as we know it.
Just because his ideas, research, and facts don't easily mesh with yours, or they make you uncomfortable, are not good reasons to avoid taking him seriously. Source: Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Marrs |
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Post by sawmilljim on Jul 24, 2017 18:21:29 GMT
Headless many of us have been saying that very thing for a long time. Thing is most as long as they have their little bit of goodies ie food tv boat ect just flat out don't care. One thing that has been eliminated is individual thinking most will never give a thought that a large percent of what they have been taught is a lie and will defend the lie till death.. But why even consider that because it is now time for Dancing With The Stars. Giving thought to who really has control is above them as long as the majority are content in their corner.
A quote of what a leader once said about thinking . How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.
The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.
Kissinger sold the US military to the bankers thus in itself becoming a mercenary force by way of creating the petrodollar since that time any country not complying with selling oil in dollars the US has exterminated its leader or put the leaders on the run. See Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych now in exile in Russia.Since the start for conquest of the middle east the shadow Govt has made sure that ISIS was funded even paying them to wage war to overthrow duly elected leaders.
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Post by DEKE on Jul 24, 2017 18:34:12 GMT
If you want counterbalance from the establishment, just go read The Warren Report.Nope, that doesn't address the issue I was discussing. To have a truly informed opinion, unless you are an expert or want to devote a lifetime to a truly complex issue, you need to have data points, supposed facts, questions listed and then each side addresses each issue one by one. Is it really a fact? Then what does each side believe the fact means. Then a rebuttal from the other side. At least that's the way I like to see controversial issues. I don't think any of us are smart enough to digest 100s of pages of technical info from one side of the argument and read 100s of pages of opposition opinion and facts and adequately evaluate the two. For example, no one person is knowledgeable enough to scientifically evaluate all the theories and whack job claims about 9/11. You need experts in controlled demolition, planes, steel beams, structure fires, the condition and management of the buildings, and I don't know how many more. The reader of one of the conspiracy books, like the expert on planes, is not going to know enough to question what sounds like an expert on fires. when gullible people read these twisted, biased, and frictional tales, and it is feeding the reader's biases, and the reader routinely doesn't bother to ask even the most obvious questions, goofy conspiracies thrive. |
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Post by DEKE on Jul 24, 2017 19:01:46 GMT
Just because his ideas, research, and facts don't easily mesh with yours, or they make you uncomfortable, are not good reasons to avoid taking him seriously. his ideas don't make me uncomfortable for the same reason zombies, unicorns, and leprechauns don't make me uncomfortable. Good reasons for not taking him seriously is simply looking at the long list of books he has written. How did one guy become an expert at every whacko conspiracy to come along in the last 50 years? He's got books on 9/11, JFK, secret societies that rule all of man, zombie banks, ancient space aliens, the Illuminati, and modern space aliens. And none of that raised one moment of doubt in your mind? LOL How many times do we have to go over this? Learn to question your sources. His book list doesn't prove he's not right about everything or any one thing, but only that he is a willing to spin any tale in order to make a buck selling trash books to the gullible. So how do you know? What parts of his books are real, spin, or complete fiction? And if he is willing to spin and fictionalize supposedly true books on one topic, what makes you believe he hasn't done it in every book? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 19:19:42 GMT
If you want counterbalance from the establishment, just go read The Warren Report.Nope, that doesn't address the issue I was discussing. To have a truly informed opinion, unless you are an expert or want to devote a lifetime to a truly complex issue, you need to have data points, supposed facts, questions listed and then each side addresses each issue one by one. Is it really a fact? Then what does each side believe the fact means. Then a rebuttal from the other side. At least that's the way I like to see controversial issues. I don't think any of us are smart enough to digest 100s of pages of technical info from one side of the argument and read 100s of pages of opposition opinion and facts and adequately evaluate the two. I certainly agree on that. Most people also don't have the time to thoroughly digest all of the available material and do their own independent research of the primary sources, scientific data, and evidence (much of which is missing or compromised in the case of the JFK assassination).For example, no one person is knowledgeable enough to scientifically evaluate all the theories and whack job claims about 9/11. You need experts in controlled demolition, planes, steel beams, structure fires, the condition and management of the buildings, and I don't know how many more. The reader of one of the conspiracy books, like the expert on planes, is not going to know enough to question what sounds like an expert on fires. I agree, but most of the experts are reluctant to make public pronouncements or write books about topics like anthropogenic global warming, 9/11, or the JFK assassination, because they are fearful that they will be ostracized by the scientific/medical/engineering communities upon which they are dependent for earning a living.when gullible people read these twisted, biased, and frictional tales, and it is feeding the reader's biases, and the reader routinely doesn't bother to ask even the most obvious questions, goofy conspiracies thrive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 19:27:41 GMT
Just because his ideas, research, and facts don't easily mesh with yours, or they make you uncomfortable, are not good reasons to avoid taking him seriously. his ideas don't make me uncomfortable for the same reason zombies, unicorns, and leprechauns don't make me uncomfortable. Good reasons for not taking him seriously is simply looking at the long list of books he has written. How did one guy become an expert at every whacko conspiracy to come along in the last 50 years? He's got books on 9/11, JFK, secret societies that rule all of man, zombie banks, ancient space aliens, the Illuminati, and modern space aliens. And none of that raised one moment of doubt in your mind? LOL How many times do we have to go over this? Learn to question your sources. His book list doesn't prove he's not right about everything or any one thing, but only that he is a willing to spin any tale in order to make a buck selling trash books to the gullible. So how do you know? What parts of his books are real, spin, or complete fiction? And if he is willing to spin and fictionalize supposedly true books on one topic, what makes you believe he hasn't done it in every book? , a former university Dean and still a university professor, takes Jim Marrs very seriously. Many people take Jim Marrs seriously, because he is a degreed journalist who has done a lot of hands on research into the JFK assassination over the course of the past 54 years, including numerous interviews with eyewitnesses. He is an expert on the JFK assassination. Jim Marrs has also taught a class on the assassination of John F. Kennedy at University of Texas at Arlington for 30 years. More on Dr. Proctor, the other person in the above video, from his website: Oh, I don't really care that Jim Marrs has also written about aliens, which seems to be your big objection and bugaboo, because to me they are almost certainly demons, which are very real indeed, if you believe the Holy Bible.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 21:19:11 GMT
Uncut Interview - JFK's Emergency Room Doctor: Dr. Robert McClelland says the bullet which blew out back of Kennedy's head hit him in the front of his head, at the hairline above the forehead. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 21:34:19 GMT
Witnesses say shots from the grassy knoll/fence area hit President Kennedy from the front. |
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Post by DEKE on Jul 24, 2017 23:45:54 GMT
I certainly agree on that. Most people also don't have the time to thoroughly digest all of the available material and do their own independent research of the primary sources, scientific data, and evidence (much of which is missing or compromised in the case of the JFK assassination).... I agree, but most of the experts are reluctant to make public pronouncements or write books about topics like anthropogenic global warming, 9/11, or the JFK assassination, because they are fearful that they will be ostracized by the scientific/medical/engineering communities upon which they are dependent for earning a living. In both of your statements above, you use circular logic. Can you spot the circular logic? Circular logic is faulty logic. Circular logic often happens, as in this case, when someone is blind to their own intense biases. Your other two posts are filled with Area 51 nut jobbery. Not worth my time to respond in a meaningful fashion. |
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Post by blackfeather on Jul 25, 2017 0:19:04 GMT
I think I was about 30 years old when I figured out who was behind killing Kennedy. I was working at Radio Shack and some guy paid me with money but it didn't say federal reserve note on the cash it said it was a sliver certificate. The year on the bill was 1963. Kennedy took back the right to issue money and cut the Federal reserve out of it. All the Agatha Christie books I have read, it is either love or money that is the cause of murder. I doubt it was love in this case but who got to control the money of the U.S. Interestingly, Johnson, one of his first acts was to give back money printing to the Fed. I'm sure a lot of people wanted him dead but I can guess who financed the assassination.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 0:19:23 GMT
I certainly agree on that. Most people also don't have the time to thoroughly digest all of the available material and do their own independent research of the primary sources, scientific data, and evidence (much of which is missing or compromised in the case of the JFK assassination).... I agree, but most of the experts are reluctant to make public pronouncements or write books about topics like anthropogenic global warming, 9/11, or the JFK assassination, because they are fearful that they will be ostracized by the scientific/medical/engineering communities upon which they are dependent for earning a living. In both of your statements above, you use circular logic. Can you spot the circular logic? Circular logic is faulty logic. Circular logic often happens, as in this case, when someone is blind to their own intense biases. Your other two posts are filled with Area 51 nut jobbery. Not worth my time to respond in a meaningful fashion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 0:43:01 GMT
I think I was about 30 years old when I figured out who was behind killing Kennedy. I was working at Radio Shack and some guy paid me with money but it didn't say federal reserve note on the cash it said it was a sliver certificate. The year on the bill was 1963. Kennedy took back the right to issue money and cut the Federal reserve out of it. All the Agatha Christie books I have read, it is either love or money that is the cause of murder. I doubt it was love in this case but who got to control the money of the U.S. Interestingly, Johnson, one of his first acts was to give back money printing to the Fed. I'm sure a lot of people wanted him dead but I can guess who financed the assassination. I'm sure you have seen this video before, but it is very informative and quite fascinating. |
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