Death On Mars

[blackfeather]

I just finished a book called Death on Mars by John Brandenburg. The book starts with the story of the face and pyramid found on Mars. He recounts the investigation, the finding of two more faces and other pyramids. He continues with data that the rovers found and sent back. The data curiously showed that Mars has a unique set of chemical elements that set it apart from any other body sampled in the solar system. One area where it is different is the unusual large amount of Xenon 129. A isotope of Xenon and comes from iodine 129 when the iodine radioactivity decays. Mars contains 2 1/2 times the amount found on earth, moon, meteors, and solar wind. The two places that large amounts of this xenon isotope come from are super novas and hydrogen bombs.



Looking at satellite measurements of radiation from Mars shows two hot spots of radioactive potassium and thorium both coming from the same place. In addition to other elements like argon 40 which are also nuclear tell tale signs. From all the information it appears Mars was destroyed in part my two massive nuclear explosions. They were able to calculate the approximate size of one of the bombs necessary to do the destruction and concluded that it would have been the size of a sky scraper. There is a burn spot on Mars where the larger one detonated but no crater so it was exploded in the air.



An interesting book. The author first submitted his findings to the Pentagon for review after a few months they encouraged him to publish the information. The author worked in the military industrial complex and had a close relationship with a member of military intelligence. I disagree with his conclusions though. He thinks the civilization was destroyed due to outside influences. I think that he has jumped to that conclusion.



The video I saw that prompted me to buy the book...

[DEKE]

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Aug 11, 2017 18:44:49 GMT blackfeather said:

I just finished a book called Death on Mars by John Brandenburg. The book starts with the story of the face and pyramid found on Mars. He recounts the investigation, the finding of two more faces and other pyramids. He continues with data that the rovers found and sent back. The data curiously showed that Mars has a unique set of chemical elements that set it apart from any other body sampled in the solar system. One area where it is different is the unusual large amount of Xenon 129. A isotope of Xenon and comes from iodine 129 when the iodine radioactivity decays. Mars contains 2 1/2 times the amount found on earth, moon, meteors, and solar wind. The two places that large amounts of this xenon isotope come from are super novas and hydrogen bombs.

Looking at satellite measurements of radiation from Mars shows two hot spots of radioactive potassium and thorium both coming from the same place. In addition to other elements like argon 40 which are also nuclear tell tale signs. From all the information it appears Mars was destroyed in part my two massive nuclear explosions. They were able to calculate the approximate size of one of the bombs necessary to do the destruction and concluded that it would have been the size of a sky scraper. There is a burn spot on Mars where the larger one detonated but no crater so it was exploded in the air.

An interesting book. The author first submitted his findings to the Pentagon for review after a few months they encouraged him to publish the information. The author worked in the military industrial complex and had a close relationship with a member of military intelligence. I disagree with his conclusions though. He thinks the civilization was destroyed due to outside influences. I think that he has jumped to that conclusion.

The video I saw that prompted me to buy the book...

That is one very interesting finding by accomplished physicist John E. Brandenburg, Ph.D.!  Thanks for sharing that on this forum, Blackfeather. 

He says that two massive fission-boosted hydrogen bombs (14MeV neutrons) detonated as airburst were at least partially responsible for destroying Mars 250-500 million years ago, based upon his understanding of physics and the evidence obtained from Mars by NASA. That means, if true (I have no reason to doubt him, since even our Pentagon apparently doesn't.), at the very least, there was an intelligence (whether indigenous or not to Mars) with nuclear capabilities, at least as great as mankind's is today, detonating nuclear weapons 250-500 million years ago on Mars. This should be on the front pages of all the leading news sources and scientific publications. One would have to surmise that most are afraid, for various reasons, to publish it and feel ill-equipped to debate Mr. Brandenburg. 

It is very interesting that the U.S. Government (Pentagon) gave its 'blessing' for Mr. Brandenburg to publish this book. Could it be that the military/industrial/complex doesn't have big and scary enough dragons to fight off on this planet, in order to justify their massive and ever growing budgets/contracts? Could it also be that, as more and more people come to realize Russia and China are not quite the evil boogiemen some have made them out to be, there are those in our government who have decided a new enemy is needed, one from outside this world, as per Mr. Brandenburg's conclusion?

Background on the author, Mr. John E. Brandenburg:

"John E. Brandenburg Ph.D. is a veteran plasma physicist and the Senior Propulsion Scientist at Orbital Technologies Corporation in Madison, Wisconsin. He is the author of Beyond Einstein’s Unified Field, Life and Death on Mars and Cosmic Jesus. He appears on various radio and television talk shows and lives in Madison, WI. Death on Mars is his fourth book."-Amazon.com

"Brandenburg got his BA in Physics from Southern Oregon University in Ashland, Oregon, his MS in Applied Science at University of California at Davis and his Ph.D. in Theoretical Plasma Physics at the UC Davis extension campus at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, California. The title of his thesis was A Theoretical Model of a Reversed Field Ion Layer Made of Monoenergetic Ions. Its topic was magnetic confinement of plasmas for controlled nuclear fusion.

Brandenburg held positions in a variety of high-tech companies specializing in plasma physics: Mission Research Corporation, Sandia National Laboratories, Research Support Instruments (RSI), The Aerospace Corporation, Florida Space Institute, and Orbital Technologies in Madison, Wisconsin. His work encompassed studies of the microwave electrothermal plasma thruster for space propulsion, rocket plume-regolith interactions on the Moon and Mars, vortex theory of rocket engine design, and Kaluza-Klein theory of field unification for purposes of space propulsion. As of 2015 he was situated at Morningstar Applied Physics in Vienna, Virginia...He is a part-time instructor of Astronomy, Physics and Mathematics at Madison College, Wisconsin."-Rationalwiki

[DEKE]

As usual, HH can only direct his skepticism at the gov't, in this case NASA, never pausing to consider that the author is writing on a topic outside his area of expertise. One of the author's main proofs of a civilization on Mars was a photo of an eroded facial structure. It was an interesting photo, so interesting that NASA sent back more cameras for a more detailed, close up view of the structure. The face turned out to be nothing more than a momentary optical illusion in a dust storm, sort of like seeing a dragon in a cloud formation. Yet the author continues to hang his hat on this "proof." Now HH will probably chime in to tell us that NASA only faked those later photos as a cover up for what the secret ancient Martian life, because thousands and thousands of NASA scientists can lie to you, but one guy desperate to sell a book can not.

Nukes on Mars skeptic

His, um, "research" was the subject of a story in Vice last week, and the author, Jason Koebler, was treated to a preprint version of Brandenburg's paper, which concludes thusly:

It is possible the Fermi Paradox means that our interstellar neighborhood contains forces hostile to young, noisy, civilizations such as ourselves," he added. "Such hostile forces could range from things as alien as AI (Artificial Intelligence) ‘with a grudge’ against flesh and blood, as in the movie Terminator, all the way to things as sadly familiar to us as a mindless humanoid bureaucrat like Governor Tarkin in Star Wars, eager to destroy planet Alderaan as an example to other worlds.


Yes, Brandenburg did just end an academic paper with a conclusion that cited as evidence not one, but two, science fiction movies.

Of course, NASA and associated scientific researchers think this whole thing is nonsense. The alleged "archaeological objects" are natural geological features, not the ruins of buildings. There is no evidence whatsoever of intelligent life ever having existed on Mars, as cool as that would be.

But of course, the conspiracy theorists beg to differ. They just love the fact that an actual scientist is proposing all of this. Partly it's because they automatically approve of anyone who is seen as an iconoclast; and partly it's because before you can get your Conspiracy Theorists' Society membership card, you have to sign a pledge to disbelieve everything that NASA says.

[Thtwudbeme]

What I love and find sweetly ironic is when you google pareidolia (seeing a familiar figure where none exists) the first thing that comes up is a Wiki page explaining this phenomenon along with the NASA photo of the "Face on Mars."

Whatever happened to believing on the "Man on the Moon"? Or is that too childish?

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Aug 12, 2017 2:21:58 GMT Thtwudbeme said:

What I love and find sweetly ironic is when you google pareidoliaseeing a familiar figure where none exists) the first thing that comes up is a Wiki page explaining this phenomenon along with the NASA photo of the "Face on Mars."

Whatever happened to believing on the "Man on the Moon"? Or is that too childish?

Yes, people seeing a face on mars could all be experiencing pareidolia, or it could be real. I think it is real. You might think it is not real. That proves absolutely nothing. It seems this won't be settled until someone goes to Mars to check that site out in person, or hears it from God Himself, one way or the other. For now, I have an open mind on this, which means I will go wherever the evidence leads. Others assume they already know, which hardly comes from scientific reasoning.

[DEKE]

HH thinks the face is real, but real scientists at NASA AND the Euro space agency disagree. If there is a conspiracy to hide an ancient Martian civilization from us, it is a grand conspiracy requiring thousands to keep silent. There may have been life on Mars, no one knows, but this bit of "proof" is nothing but conspiracy nut jobbery.

Here is an article and photos debunking the Martian Face Hoax link

The "Face on Mars" has since become a pop icon. It has starred in a Hollywood film, appeared in books, magazines, radio talk shows -- even haunted grocery store checkout lines for 25 years! Some people think the Face is bona fide evidence of life on Mars -- evidence that NASA would rather hide, say conspiracy theorists. Meanwhile, defenders of the NASA budget wish there was an ancient civilization on Mars.

Although few scientists believed the Face was an alien artifact, photographing Cydonia became a priority for NASA when Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) arrived at the Red Planet in Sept. 1997, eighteen long years after the Viking missions ended. "We felt this was important to taxpayers," explained Jim Garvin, chief scientist for NASA's Mars Exploration Program. "We photographed the Face as soon as we could get a good shot at it."

And so on April 5, 1998, when Mars Global Surveyor flew over Cydonia for the first time, Michael Malin and his Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) team snapped a picture ten times sharper than the original Viking photos. Thousands of anxious web surfers were waiting when the image first appeared on a JPL web site, revealing ... a natural landform. There was no alien monument after all.

[blackfeather]

Hey DEKE, I am willing to consider an alternative explanation to the evidence he described in his book. Feel free to pose an alternate theory concerning the high amount of the isotope of xenon 129, the two radioactive hot spots, as well as some of his other data. Brandenburg himself was hoping another explanation could be found so I'm willing to consider any other theory that you have. I'm no expert in nuclear fission so I have to rely on what information I can find.

As far as the face, this is the picture you are referring to...



This is the latest most recent picture, the first picture was taken at a low angle and a narrow gray scale this one taken over head with the full 256 shade gray scale.



Many feel it looks more lion like.
The face picture is only one aspect of the whole Cydonian area, there are other mathematical relationships that need explaining as well. It is interesting to read about all the other anomalous features and their relationship to each other and to the sun, solstices and equinoxes. There is a close up picture of one pyramid and at its base one can make out a large number of lines with right angles. Right angles don't normally occur in nature to that degree. If it all is natural then very weird, highly improbable, geological stuff goes on there.

Curiously, there is a big push to put men on Mars by the 2030s. Despite denials I suspect people like Brandenburg have peaked curiosity in Mars and the question must be put to rest one way or another.

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It is generally recognized that people have an expertise in a certain field when they obtain a Ph.D. in that subject.

"Brandenburg got his...Ph.D. in Theoretical Plasma Physics at the UC Davis extension campus at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, California. The title of his thesis was A Theoretical Model of a Reversed Field Ion Layer Made of Monoenergetic Ions. Its topic was magnetic confinement of plasmas for controlled nuclear fusion."-Rationalwiki

Mr. Brandenburg is an expert in all things nuclear. He would have to be, in order to be working on magnetic confinement of plasmas for controlled nuclear fusion. Also, whatever he might need to know in the field of nuclear energy/weapons, I am certain he could quickly and easily familiarize himself with, if he did not already know it. 

I think we can trust him when he says, as recounted by Blackfeather,

"...with data that the rovers found and sent back. The data curiously showed that Mars has a unique set of chemical elements that set it apart from any other body sampled in the solar system. One area where it is different is the unusual large amount of Xenon 129. A isotope of Xenon and comes from iodine 129 when the iodine radioactivity decays. Mars contains 2 1/2 times the amount found on earth, moon, meteors, and solar wind. The two places that large amounts of this xenon isotope come from are super novas and hydrogen bombs.

Looking at satellite measurements of radiation from Mars shows two hot spots of radioactive potassium and thorium both coming from the same place. In addition to other elements like argon 40 which are also nuclear tell tale signs. From all the information it appears Mars was destroyed in part [by] two massive nuclear explosions. They were able to calculate the approximate size of one of the bombs necessary to do the destruction and concluded that it would have been the size of a sky scraper. There is a burn spot on Mars where the larger one detonated but no crater so it was exploded in the air."