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Post by mnn2501 on Feb 18, 2018 22:08:25 GMT
Being assessed by algorithms is advancing in China, where an experiment in what is being called a “social credit system” is underway, the professor of psychology and behavioral sciences specialist says. The Chinese system, which uses a combination of mass surveillance and big data to score citizens, is currently voluntary but it will be mandatory by 2020. At that stage, every citizen and company will be ranked whether they like it or not. “If you don’t adhere to social conventions, if you search for the wrong website, if you buy too many video games, if you cross the road on a red light or even if you have friends with a low score, then your own score will fall.” In the various experimental versions of the system – rolled out by local governments and selected companies – millions of citizens with poor ratings are already labeled as “not qualified” to book flights or high-speed train tickets, let alone get a loan from the bank. The potential implications could be worse still. “Should your score fall too much, your children won’t be able to go to the better schools and many other limitations will apply,” the expert warns. A system like that ensures self-censorship even within families, he says, predicting that the plan is bound to be successful. Full article here |
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Post by fordy on Feb 19, 2018 1:54:24 GMT
............I've always believed that the more a controlling government initiates actions that irritates the citizens over time , the lower the threshold for those citizens to collectively fight back , riot , throw the chop suey against the wall and just stage an old fashioned oriential revolt ! .............I'm thinking of that movie with Charleton Heston(sp) about the Boxer rebellion ! Excellent film , the peons vs the Queen .......... , fordy |
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Feb 19, 2018 2:23:44 GMT
For all intents and purposes China already has a class structure, communist elites, and the huge majority. Right now, it's maintainable by the fact the majority know they have no hope of becoming an elite, making them complacent even if not satisfied. I see this new system changing everything, there will be three classes, the elites, the "approved" ones, and the "outsiders". The outsiders are going to look at their approved neighbors with tremendous resentment, almost creating the situation we have with minorities in this country. Once the outsiders scores are low enough, they'll realize they've got nothing to lose. Don't mess with people who have nothing to lose.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 3:26:23 GMT
Asian cultures focus on the collective, which may help the ruling class to maintain its control over the masses.
What is the intended goal of the assessment? More control?
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Post by themotherhen on Feb 19, 2018 4:31:46 GMT
@pony, more control is the only goal that I can see. This won't end well, most people just want to be left alone. This is too close to every single dystopian story that I have ever read for me to be comfortable with it.
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Post by mnn2501 on Feb 19, 2018 14:04:27 GMT
If you read the story at the link, it was about Germany adopting this also,
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Feb 19, 2018 16:55:49 GMT
Don't think for a moment that between Google, the NSA, and your FICO score an organization couldn't put just those three together to determine your political persuasion and its intensity, your overall moral code, and proclivity to be a threat to the "State".
Leftists, who believe government can solve all problems, would reason the problems could best be solved by knowing everything about everyone. That would fit nicely with their other belief, that they already know what's best for society. It would be an irresistible temptation for them if they could slant the algorithm to favor themselves and their policies. Tally up the scores and they'd be instantly elite.
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Post by joebill on Feb 19, 2018 19:35:17 GMT
Another artificial set of standards and numbers used to determine the worth of a man. I have to wonder how much of a notch THAT will carve in the budgets of the nations who adopt it, and if they could not perhaps find a more noble use for the money.
Notice how it always seems to be the outfits who want to claim that everyone is equal that work the hardest to prove that they are not. Communistic my ankle...Joe
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Post by blackfeather on Feb 19, 2018 20:27:09 GMT
The rule with any people that let a tyranny take over:
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Post by joebill on Feb 21, 2018 1:55:09 GMT
They may well, as Tom said, create a class they really do not want. If you cannot perform all of these functions it will be really difficult to keep decent track of you.
My friend who escaped from Czechoslovakia back in the 60's or so told me about how the commies tried to keep everybody in line and accounted for, but periodically somebody would bring up the problem of the gypsies. There would be a lot of conversations and talk on the news about what to do about the gypsies for a month or so, then everybody would again snap to the fact that there was not a dang thing they COULD do about them, because nobody knew who they were or where to find any particular one of them. They had waited far too long and lost all track and control of the whole bunch.
Push anybody too far away from mainstream society and they start getting born at home, dying at home and left on the curb or buried in the back yard, not getting licensed to drive, working under the table, living off of petty or major crime activity, all the things you are trying to rid your society of in the first place. They also stop paying taxes or even attention to what the government says.
I used to know some Indians up north who decided to forego payments from the government that the tribes get monthly per head and also tax deductions for kids. Did NOT get them SS numbers, etc. Said when the kids grew up they could decide for themselves if they wanted to be part of the system. Quite common, I think, but most will not talk about it.......smart.......Joe
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 19:50:35 GMT
Professor Gigerenzer makes very valid points. This sort of quantification/qualification is very appealing to German culture, as in US culture, but for different reasons.
Aus Deutschland, people are very methodical and quality minded. Want quality people? Do some studies, gather the data, come up with The Perfect Citizen.
In the USA, Watergate started a Right To Know attitude/trend. How telling that they quoted the former Google chair, Eric Schmidt: “If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.”
Which is, of course, malarkey. My life is absolutely nobody else's business, unless I am doing something to hurt them in some way. And it's not that I'm hiding anything, it's that I have the right to my privacy.
We're already more than halfway to being socially quantified. Just by being on this site, we're saying a lot about who we are and what we believe. Do not forget how the intelligentsia in Cuba and other countries were treated.
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Post by joebill on Mar 12, 2018 21:00:53 GMT
I think I have been rated.......bitter clinger.
Pulled into Sam's club last week and my wife's car has a front vanity plate that reads "expect a miracle". Some guy standing there reads the plate and then eyes my sidearm as I get out of the car, shakes his head, spits on the ground and walks off. Yep, I have been classified as a "bitter clinger"....Joe
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Mar 13, 2018 13:41:59 GMT
I think I have been rated.......bitter clinger. Pulled into Sam's club last week and my wife's car has a front vanity plate that reads "expect a miracle". Some guy standing there reads the plate and then eyes my sidearm as I get out of the car, shakes his head, spits on the ground and walks off. Yep, I have been classified as a "bitter clinger"....Joe I have a little different take on what happened, he saw the "expect a miracle" plate, then the next thing he saw was you. Can you blame the guy for being disappointed? It would have been even worse for him he'd seen me. |
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Post by joebill on Mar 13, 2018 18:15:28 GMT
Your version is a LOT funnier. Once we were approaching a troll roadblock, and usually the troll will either wave us through or ask our nationality and THEN wave us through, but this guy just stood there and grinned at us. I rolled down the window and kinda shrugged at him like "what gives?" and he said "waiting for my miracle"....then waved us on through....Joe
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Post by DEKE on Mar 13, 2018 20:40:20 GMT
Your version is a LOT funnier. Once we were approaching a troll roadblock, and usually the troll will either wave us through or ask our nationality and THEN wave us through, but this guy just stood there and grinned at us. I rolled down the window and kinda shrugged at him like "what gives?" and he said "waiting for my miracle"....then waved us on through....Joe Cops are people too. We all have or had jobs that had times when we needed a little bit of help to enjoy the day. You helped him find one of those enjoyable moments. Maybe not a miracle, but close enough. |
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