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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 19:38:17 GMT
fordy , getting a patent on a virus doesn't mean they created the virus. It just means they isolated it. I don't totally understand the reasoning behind patenting a virus, but it's supposedly to protect their vaccine research or something. Anyway, all the claims I've seen about the current pandemic virus being patented years ago are complete nonsense. Most post "proof" showing patents of other viruses, such as SARS or MERS or HIV.
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Post by fordy on Apr 13, 2020 19:59:48 GMT
fordy , getting a patent on a virus doesn't mean they created the virus. It just means they isolated it. I don't totally understand the reasoning behind patenting a virus, but it's supposedly to protect their vaccine research or something. Anyway, all the claims I've seen about the current pandemic virus being patented years ago are complete nonsense. Most post "proof" showing patents of other viruses, such as SARS or MERS or AIDS. ................I understand acquiring a 'patent' on a virus for utilization for a scientific purpose like using algae to make fuel for internal combustion engines ! That makes perfectly good sense , and I suppose it is possible to transform the corona virus into a form that has a scientific purpose other than infecting and killing people ! ...............Were I in control of the patent office I'd require the company trying to acquire a patent on ANY virus with the ability to infect and kill humans to also develop a vaccine to prevent such outcomes ! I'd be a real mean Bastard about such things . , fordy
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Post by paisley on Apr 13, 2020 20:23:37 GMT
fordy, makes logical sense to me first things first and safety is first.
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Post by DEKE on Apr 13, 2020 20:42:13 GMT
Were I in control of the patent office I'd require the company trying to acquire a patent on ANY virus with the ability to infect and kill humans to also develop a vaccine to prevent such outcomes !
Sounds like a good idea, but would you also require the "inventor" for hollow point shells to invent a suitable body armor? Or any surgeon's tools needed to extract the bullet?
Would you require the inventor of a new fruit variety to invent a new diet treatment in case the eater became fat?
Would you require the inventor of a truly never go flat or wear out tire be responsible for all the jobs lost by tire shops?
Regardless, the patent office has no such powers. It is basically only an official recording mechanism. Just as the publisher of a newspaper or the broadcaster of a TV drama is not responsible if a story gives someone the idea for a crime, the patent office is not responsible for the good or bad that comes from a patented item.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 23:32:49 GMT
And nobody is putting up the money to create a vaccine in advance of getting the patent. That would risk losing all that money spent if someone beat them to it. The point of getting the patent up front is to protect their investment in creating the vaccine, or tests and treatments. In short, if you require them to come up with a vaccine before they can get a patent, you just won't get any vaccines out of them, but the virus will still be out there. This is about MERS, but applies: www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/05/outbreak-continues-confusion-reigns-over-virus-patentsWorth reading the whole article, but to over-simplify, patents may lead to a vaccine much quicker, because those who first isolate it are then willing to share with other researchers since their initial work is protected. Without a patent, they wouldn't share samples, thus only they would have it to work on instead of having scientists all over the world working on it at the same time. And another saying similar things: www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-07/how-biological-patents-promote-research-and-save-lives/
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Post by daw on Apr 14, 2020 0:08:00 GMT
My mother lived through polio. She was two when she had it.
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Post by DEKE on Apr 14, 2020 1:56:48 GMT
In the late 90s I hired a guy who had had polio. He was paralyzed on his right side. To shake hands he would have to lift his right arm with his left, but his hand was completely limp. He had a brace that locked his leg into place so he could take a step forward on his left leg, then with a twist of his body, he would swing his right leg forward. Somehow the locking mechanism on the knee released so that the knee bent at the appropriate time for him to take another step. It was an awkward walk, but better than a wheel chair.
Unfortunately that brace didn't always work. More than once he would expect his leg to hold him up but the brace wasn't fully locked. One time he was standing in my doorway, leaning against the frame, in the middle of a conversation. With no warning, he collapsed to the floor in a heap. Imagine being thrown to the floor with no notice and no way to slow your fall. I had to pick him up several times; fortunately he was not a big man. His pride hurt and often his body hurt after the falls. His was a tough life I would not wish on my worst enemy. I can't imagine anyone could see that guy's life and ever seriously consider saying no to the polio vaccine for their child.
We hired him as a salesman and he was good at it. No one would slam the door in his face. In our business, no one sold anything, they just gathered intel so that when we put in a proposal to the gov't, our pitch had the words the gov't evaluator wanted to see. When he asked to sit down for a chat in someone's office, there was no way they could say no.
Unfortunately, after a lifetime of his struggles, he had learned to use his disability as a tool to manipulate others. That worked great as a sales tool, but I fired him when he took a company credit card and bought $7K of furniture. I would later learn that he had lost his law license because he had stolen from a client. He didn't go to jail because no one wanted to prosecute the cripple.
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Post by blackfeather on Apr 14, 2020 2:19:48 GMT
So are you advocating forced vaccinations? If one refuses to get a vaccination, you'd still insist on it since the needs of the many are at risk here? There is a biblical principle here, one must work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. So saving ones own life (non-spiritually speaking) by extension, should be each individuals responsibility not someone else's. If one believes it is better not to get the vaccine then that is their decision. Another point the vaccine community seems happy to consign some to suffering or even death for the perceived good of others. That almost seem like they're playing god, and we are nothing more than cattle to be managed. One virus word for you. Polio.
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Post by DEKE on Apr 14, 2020 3:30:25 GMT
Blackfeather, do you even read the bull puckey you post? Here's what the CDC says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CDC and its international partners have made significant progress over the past 26 years.
The number of worldwide polio cases has fallen from an estimated 350,000 in 1988 to 407 in 2013—a decline of more than 99% in reported cases. Four regions of the world are certified polio free—the Americas, Europe, South East Asia and the Western Pacific. Only three polio-endemic countries (countries that have never interrupted the transmission of wild poliovirus) remain—Afghanistan, Nigeria, and Pakistan. Without our polio eradication efforts, more than 17 million people who are currently healthy would have been paralyzed by the virus. For the latest polio reports, visit the Global Polio Eradication Initiative (GPEI).External
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Both CDC and Zero Intelligence...err...Zero Hedge agree that there were 350K cases of polio in 1988. The alarmist, fake news, junk you posted is that 70% cases worldwide are vaccine caused. The sources agree on the 70% number but there is no perspective given.
If you read the links to that data in the article you posted, the NPR article says that there were TWENTY-EIGHT cases in the whole freakin world in the first half of 2017. TWENTY-EIGHT. Out of the MILLIONS of people that received the polio vaccine in those six months, TWENTY-ONE of them contracted polio directly from the vaccine or possibly indirectly from someone who got the vaccine.
Another link in the article you posted is from the Economist in 2018 and it verifies a roughly 70% figure.
Regardless of the difference in your linked articles 2017 vs 2018 numbers, can't you see that they are just a little bit less than the 350K cases in 1988? Even Zero Hedge agrees that the dramatic reduction is due to a global effort to vaccinate everyone.
As to your invocation of Biblical principal. I say BULL, but if you want to attempt to explain the connection I can't see, go ahead.
Yes doctors and medicine are imperfect. People die on the operating table and a common cause of that death is medical error. There are about 250K deaths due to medical errors each year, just in the US. Your odds death from a medical error are much greater than a deadly or even a severe but survivable reaction to the polio vaccine. Are you going to forego all medical treatment because medicine is imperfect?
You keep citing articles by Tyler Durden. He's a fake and uses just enough truth mixed into his fake news to fool people who are too lazy to think.
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Post by daw on Apr 14, 2020 11:26:05 GMT
Frankly I do not believe either CDC or WHO tell the truth. They certainly did not onthis Covid19.
The polio vaccine when used after they said the childhood vaccine had run its course...in1964-5 harmed untold amount of people, Some died.. There was not force work for the vaccine but I declined to take it. My cousin did take it and she went through surgery to repair the damage. She was a pitiful sight.
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Apr 14, 2020 13:28:48 GMT
In Pakistan and Afghanistan the mullahs forbid anyone taking the polio vaccine claiming it's a Christian plot to sterilize muslims. Don't know about Nigeria, but I'd imagine it's the same.
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Post by Thtwudbeme on Apr 14, 2020 22:20:48 GMT
In Pakistan and Afghanistan the mullahs forbid anyone taking the polio vaccine claiming it's a Christian plot to sterilize muslims. Don't know about Nigeria, but I'd imagine it's the same.
If only we had the cajones to do such a thing...
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