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Post by Ozarks Tom on Aug 18, 2024 23:57:04 GMT
David!, I think you're getting it wrong. It's not that either side thinks they're superior, they think the other side is crazy. I happen to be on the side of the liberals/progressives/leftist/Marxist being crazy. For some unknown reason they think human nature can be changed through coercion and force, bringing about an almost utopian world where even the people with criminal tendencies or with very low IQs should enjoy the earnings of others, just because. There's no bridge between the two. It's unlikely that someone who wants to defund the police will vote for a candidate that wants to rid the streets of dopers and their dealers, because dopers are victims, and their dealers are caught in a web of capitalism. In my very biased opinion anyone who would vote for the Harris/Walz ticket should be shunned from society as subversive to this country's very values and goals.
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Post by David! on Aug 19, 2024 0:55:26 GMT
Ozarks Tom , Well if each side believes the other to be crazy, they’re right. As a conservative I’d like the republicans to see policies that could be improved. Not everything we’ve done has given positive results. But it appears to me that both sides are more concerned about just opposing the other side than looking for better ideas. I worked with some owners once who instead of fixing even a small problem would focus on who’s to blame. They wasted so much time and effort needlessly. I’ve always said let’s focus on just fixing the problem then we have ample time for a witch hunt. Usually after the problem is fixed few people care who or why. Oh and Fordy should be banned from discussing Blue Bell unless he has enough for the whole class.
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Post by David! on Aug 19, 2024 3:00:39 GMT
I don’t understand not taxing tips except to buy votes. Why would one occupation not be taxed? I was a waiter many years ago and made really good money so the complaints about an hourly wage of $3 doesn’t move me. We use to joke about our paychecks yet went home with a pocketful of money every day. Thtwudbeme, rant on and I greatly admire you helping these young ladies with their educations. You, sir, are admirable. Being very poor myself I can only help further these young girls educations in well other ways. |
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Post by fixitguy on Aug 19, 2024 3:35:05 GMT
Why would one occupation not be taxed? I was a waiter many years ago and made really good money so the complaints about an hourly wage of $3 doesn’t move me. We use to joke about our paychecks yet went home with a pocketful of money every day. Today waitresses and waiters are taxed on their days sales, not the tip they received. Somalis, Amish and Muslims do not tip a server. A truck stop server could have $400 per day in sales they did not receive a tip for, thus loosening 15% income for those sales. If you don't tip at a restaurant, the server actually lost money to serve you. Don't be that guy |
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Post by David! on Aug 19, 2024 13:44:41 GMT
Years ago we had an imputed tax based on the waiters sales for the day unless you claimed more. It was about 1/3 of my actual tips. Luckily I was in area of generous country folk and rednecks.
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Aug 19, 2024 15:04:22 GMT
We're not made of money, but being a little generous in tipping is something we do at every opportunity. Not bragging, just saying I understand what those service folks are doing for a not so great of a living.
On their feet at least 8 hours a day, depending on kitchen staff to not sabotage their income, and worst of all dealing with the public which in itself is nearly self-flagellation.
And then, some cubicle dweller in the DC IRS office arbitrarily decides what someone owes in taxes based on the total cash register receipts for the day. It doesn't matter if the restaurant is in the poorest county in Arkansas or a high dollar area like NYC, same percentage and rates. As with everything else the government does, it amounts to central planning and control over disparate circumstances, and never achieves the stated goals. One size never fits all.
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Post by laurazone5 on Aug 19, 2024 15:48:54 GMT
Here in Indiana servers make 2.13 an hour.
MOST restaurants put your credit card tips, on your pay check.
Taxed at 25%
So. Server sells 1000.00
Assume 20% gratuity, all credit card tips.
The server pays the house 3% of her sales.
1% to the bar
1% to the host
1% to the expo.
SO she has 30.00 of her 200.00 taken immediately.
It is 'distributed' to the bartender, host, and expo.
THEN THE HOUSE takes 2% of her credit card tips to pay the fee credit card companies charge.
She loses 4.00.
Her 200.00 in tips is now 166.00.
Now tax that, by 20% 33.20
Her take home went from 200.00 to 133.00
She busted her A double taking care of guests, at the mercy of the kitchen's ability not to screw things up, the hosts ability to seat folks correctly and get the tables clean and re set, and the expos ability to make sure the food is right, before it goes out.
The behind the scenes BS of management playing favorites, kitchen being incompetent, the expo is so high their eyes are barely open, hosts on their phones taking selfies, and bartenders that won't stay behind the bar and make drinks...........
BUT having said all that......
WE as a county have BIGGER fish to fry than not taxing tips.
Close the damn boarder.
Shoot to kill for invaders.
DEPORT the freeloaders
BULK up our military
Bring back manufacturing.American made should be in 85% of ALL products, drugs, etc.
Drill, baby DRILL.
WE NEED A GEN Xer in POWER.
The TRUE generation of FAFO.
Americans need to put our hands in our front pockets and find our kahones and USE THEM.
Rant, off.
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Aug 19, 2024 17:27:46 GMT
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Aug 19, 2024 17:57:56 GMT
Here's an article one of our members linked to in an email today. It doesn't necessarily break any new ground beyond what's been said here, with the exception of some VERY interesting graphs showing the absolute lies being thrown at us by the Harris/Walz campaign, along with the other duplicitous democrats and media (but I repeat myself).
If these charts don't shine a light on the lies, nothing will.
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Post by sunny225 on Aug 20, 2024 2:08:41 GMT
Why would one occupation not be taxed? I was a waiter many years ago and made really good money so the complaints about an hourly wage of $3 doesn’t move me. We use to joke about our paychecks yet went home with a pocketful of money every day. Today waitresses and waiters are taxed on their days sales, not the tip they received. Somalis, Amish and Muslims do not tip a server. A truck stop server could have $400 per day in sales they did not receive a tip for, thus loosening 15% income for those sales. If you don't tip at a restaurant, the server actually lost money to serve you. Don't be that guy Is this for real? That makes absolutely no sense! Why would an employer do such a thing? And why do people work that way? When we get good service, we tip well. |
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Post by farmrbrown on Aug 20, 2024 2:22:48 GMT
Today waitresses and waiters are taxed on their days sales, not the tip they received. Somalis, Amish and Muslims do not tip a server. A truck stop server could have $400 per day in sales they did not receive a tip for, thus loosening 15% income for those sales. If you don't tip at a restaurant, the server actually lost money to serve you. Don't be that guy Is this for real? That makes absolutely no sense! Why would an employer do such a thing? And why do people work that way? When we get good service, we tip well. It's for real. I forget what year they switched to taxing on the total amount of your customer's checks on your shift, but they were talking about doing it in the 1990's. It's because the IRS knew a lot of tips were cash and only credit card billing gave them documented proof of income. Most of the time I still tip in cash whether I pay by card or not. I like to give servers at least a chance to stick it to the Feds, lol. Personally I don't think ANYONE'S income should be taxed and if you can get away with it, more power to ya.  |
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Post by fixitguy on Aug 20, 2024 9:01:44 GMT
Today waitresses and waiters are taxed on their days sales, not the tip they received. Somalis, Amish and Muslims do not tip a server. A truck stop server could have $400 per day in sales they did not receive a tip for, thus loosening 15% income for those sales. If you don't tip at a restaurant, the server actually lost money to serve you. Don't be that guy Is this for real? That makes absolutely no sense! Why would an employer do such a thing? And why do people work that way? When we get good service, we tip well. Generally, it works out at that 15% and more if you're an experienced server and you work at a good company. So, if you leave 20% for your bill, and the guy at the table behind you leave's nothing, your 5% goes to fund his 15% non-tip. A good company, high daily sales daily sales it's EZ to pull down more than the 15%, and you only claim the 15%. I think the bride work taxes at 12.5% tips. If you don't claim what the company "Thinks" you made it becomes allocated tips on your W-2 form.....Then YOU pay. My bride left a Truckstop job just before the Covid lock down after 25 years, for a job at a casino. She's not technically a server now, but still a tipped worker. |
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Post by laurazone5 on Aug 20, 2024 19:36:54 GMT
Today waitresses and waiters are taxed on their days sales, not the tip they received. Somalis, Amish and Muslims do not tip a server. A truck stop server could have $400 per day in sales they did not receive a tip for, thus loosening 15% income for those sales. If you don't tip at a restaurant, the server actually lost money to serve you. Don't be that guy Is this for real? That makes absolutely no sense! Why would an employer do such a thing? And why do people work that way? When we get good service, we tip well. Yes. this is for real. If you have a 100.00 tab and tip nothing? The server STILL has to pay 3% to the host/expo/bartender. I am not taxed on my SALES, but on my tips received on a credit card. Cash, I can chose to claim, or not. Lets say I sell 1000.00 working an 8 hours shift. Lets say I waited on cheap poop head people and made 10%. So I was tipped 100.00 I STILL have to pay the 3% to the host/expo/bartender. 30.00. I STILL have to pay the 2% to the house for the cc fees based upon my tips. 2.00 SO I LOSE 32.00 of my 100. Leaves me with 68.00 GROSS Now take 20% in taxes 13.60 For busing my arce to sell 1000.00 I get 54.40 Some of the WORST tippers (stereotypes are in place for a reason) Teachers, Doctors/Nurses Women Black, Asian, Middle Eastern (Indian, and all flavors) Boomers are a 50/50. Some will run you to death, whine about prices, and tip like garbage, no matter how good the service is. Some will appreciate the fact they are actually getting good service and tip very well. Every year gets worse than the year before in the service industry. Management is trash. After Covid, all the OG lifers quit. So now you have managers with little to know experience in the industry OR life, who are buddies with the staff, not actual managers. The young people where I used to work literally say "I only want to talk to the guest 3 times: Once for their order, once to see if the food is ok, and once for them to pay and that's it". They don't care about service, refills, does the guest need more sauce, salt and pepper, etc. They sure don't want to engage in any sort of conversation. It's heart breaking for those of us who have a passion for hospitality. |
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Post by sunny225 on Aug 20, 2024 19:58:17 GMT
"Personally I don't think ANYONE'S income should be taxed and if you can get away with it, more power to ya. " I am with you on that. Taxation is theft and wealth re-distribution. |
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Post by woolybear on Aug 20, 2024 20:54:44 GMT
My friend and I went to Olive Garden today for lunch. We always sit at the same table if we can, and always hope for the same waitress. She knows what we want without us even having to tell her, even when we made a slight change to the salad order last time we went. My friend doesn't like the olive or pickled peppers, I do. So the waitress now brings a small plate of olives and peppers for me - more than what you would get in the regular salad. We've gotten to know about her, her family, and her life. If she's not busy she sits and talks to use for a bit. She always fixes up a bowl of soup for us to take home and a drink. The bill was around $20 and change we left her a $10 tip. You give me good service and I'll reward you for your work...give me bad service and I'll still tip you but it might only be a dollar or 2.
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