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Post by wildhorseluvr on Sept 5, 2023 2:50:48 GMT
Blackfeather Don’t know how to find it or if it was scrubbed. It’s a video of Putin playing the organ in one of the big churches. As to education there are videos of him speaking better English than a lot of American people do. Supposedly he understands English a lot better than he speaks it.
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Post by wildhorseluvr on Sept 5, 2023 2:52:55 GMT
I’ve seen part of that Blueberry Hill video before.
Sometimes the man seems almost human.
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Post by wildhorseluvr on Sept 5, 2023 3:15:15 GMT
I listened to him sing. He has a beautiful voice. .it might have been the anthem. But it was at least part religious.
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Post by wildhorseluvr on Sept 5, 2023 3:36:04 GMT
There are videos of Putin attending church. There are videos of Bill and Hillary in church also.
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Post by joebill on Sept 7, 2023 22:14:49 GMT
Sometimes I do not know who to believe, but I can always count on Russia to lie like a cheap carpet.......Joe
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Post by sunny225 on Sept 8, 2023 17:27:16 GMT
www.lewrockwell.com/2023/09/no_author/if-everyone-understood-that-the-us-deliberately-provoked-this-war/If Everyone Understood That the US Deliberately Provoked This War By Caitlin Johnstone War is the single worst thing humans do. The most insane. The most cruel. The most destructive. The most traumatic. The least sustainable. Those who knowingly choose to steer humanity into more war when it could be avoided are the worst people in the world, without exception. And there are mountains of extensively documented evidence that that’s exactly what the drivers of the US-centralized empire did in Ukraine. That’s why so many western analysts and experts spent years warning that the actions of western powers were going to lead Ukraine into disaster, and it’s why US empire managers keep openly boasting about how much their proxy warfare in Ukraine advances US interests. They knowingly steered Ukraine into war to advance their own geostrategic interests while being fully aware that no powerful nation would ever permit the kinds of foreign threats the west was amassing on its borders, and then they intervened in the early days of the war to prevent the outbreak of peace. If there was widespread awareness of these facts, the US war machine would lose support around the world — not just for its actions in this one war, but for all future wars as well. Which is why so much energy goes into making sure this does not become a widespread understanding. The official mainstream narrative throughout the western world is that Putin invaded Ukraine solely because he is evil and hates freedom. That’s the actual, literal belief about this war that the western political/media class works to instill in the western public. Anyone who counters this self-evidently ridiculous assessment with facts and evidence gets branded a Russian agent and swarmed with pro-US trolls on social media, and loses all hope of securing a major platform in any mass media. And it’s important to notice that shutting down all mature adult analysis of the events which led to the war in this way does not actually save a single Ukrainian life. It doesn’t make Russia any more likely to stop fighting and withdraw its troops. All it does is prevent people from seeing the US empire for what it really is. It isn’t being done to protect Ukrainians, it’s done to protect the empire. The worst thing that could possibly happen to the information interests of the US empire would be for a critical mass of people to become aware that all this death and destruction in Ukraine could have been avoided by the US-centralized empire behaving less aggressively on Russia’s doorstep, and that those aggressions were instead increased with the goal of advancing US strategic interests on the world stage. If everyone really, deeply understood that all this suffering, all these mountains of human corpses could simply not have happened if the US hadn’t been feverishly focused on securing planetary domination at all cost, the US would no longer be able to manufacture consent for its agendas. It would no longer be able to whip up international support for its actions against its enemies. It would no longer be able to persuade the world to help prop up the hegemony of the dollar. more at link
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Sept 8, 2023 19:20:28 GMT
sunny225 , From the article: The above is an outrageous straw-man argument. Sure Putin is evil, just ask the families of the people (critics) he's had murdered. But that's not what anyone believes is his motive for invading Ukraine. In past speeches he's openly regretted the dissolution of the USSR, and Russia's loss of hegemony over its neighboring countries. He's spoken longingly of the great empires built through subjugation by Catherine the Great and Peter the Great. He's a small man with a Napoleonic complex who wants to go down in Russian history as Vladamir the Great.
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Post by fordy on Sept 8, 2023 20:14:58 GMT
...............Was Putin forced to invade Ukraine because some nations sharing a common border with Russia were becoming cozy with NATO ? I think the answer is more complex than any average citizen in the US has the knowledge to answer . ................Did the US initiate a war with Russia by promising Aid to Zelensky hoping to Depose Putin assuming that WE and the combined forces of NATO had the resources to quickly defeat Russia ? IF YES , we sure underestimated the ability of Russia to respond and carry on this war until the results were in their favor ! ................Even more compelling is the Question OF , WHY , would we engage in a war with Russia WHEN tensions are so High in the South China Sea where we could become embroiled in a war with China ? A war with China will most certainly include North Korea as well . And , given the fact that , Now , Russia has given NK intercontinential ballistic missiles which contain multiple Nuke warheads that can reach the US . ................I'm just asking questions I don't have any answers too but maybe you'll do ! , fordy
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Sept 8, 2023 20:58:08 GMT
In my opinion Putin didn't have a reason to invade Ukraine prior to our State Department got involved in Ukraine's politics. He was quite happy with the puppet stooge in power in 2014, meaning his dreams of the Russian empire were safe. Then our State Department, Victoria Nuland to be exact, got involved in Ukraine's politics and helped Ukraine become more a friend to the West than Russia. That insult to the Empire couldn't be forgiven, or even lived with. If that's a justification for invading, and bringing about the deaths of hundreds of thousands, I'd have to disagree.
The US had no intention of going to war with Russia using Ukraine as a proxy. Even our stupid State Department and Pentagon would understand there would be no winning. Just death an destruction brought about by a Russian power with overwhelming manpower and a willingness to sacrifice however many needed to bleed the Ukraine dry.
If Putin had been able to accept a non-puppet on his border, and the interruption of his dreams of glory, this war would never have happened.
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Post by joebill on Sept 9, 2023 16:14:43 GMT
Mister Putin, you are NO Nikita Khruschev. Thank GOD!.....Joe
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Post by sunny225 on Sept 12, 2023 23:31:34 GMT
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Post by blackfeather on Sept 12, 2023 23:35:22 GMT
In my opinion Putin didn't have a reason to invade Ukraine prior to our State Department got involved in Ukraine's politics. He was quite happy with the puppet stooge in power in 2014, meaning his dreams of the Russian empire were safe. Then our State Department, Victoria Nuland to be exact, got involved in Ukraine's politics and helped Ukraine become more a friend to the West than Russia. That insult to the Empire couldn't be forgiven, or even lived with. If that's a justification for invading, and bringing about the deaths of hundreds of thousands, I'd have to disagree. The US had no intention of going to war with Russia using Ukraine as a proxy. Even our stupid State Department and Pentagon would understand there would be no winning. Just death an destruction brought about by a Russian power with overwhelming manpower and a willingness to sacrifice however many needed to bleed the Ukraine dry. If Putin had been able to accept a non-puppet on his border, and the interruption of his dreams of glory, this war would never have happened. Yanukovych president of Ukraine was about to make a deal with the EU, just before it was to be agreed on the EU told him that any trade agreement had to be exclusive. He was hoping to be a mediator between east and west and have deals with both Russia and the EU using Ukraine as a go between. When confronted with being told that he couldn't do that and be in the EU, he dumped the EU and still made an agreement with Russia. Russia was fine with him being a go between. So Nuland bragged how they spent 5 billion to overthrow the Yanukovych government. The US keeps talking about democracy, yet they put in a minority government which immediately began persecuting the Russian speaking people. Russia sees Nato as an offensive military power. Ever since they bombed Serbia, Libya and Syria, Nato is no longer just defensive. They lied about not moving 1 inch eastward. They were not going to allow another Nato nation on their border. They repeatedly said so. You are terribly uninformed if you think this proxy war wasn't planned by arrogant nut jobs in the State Department. They have been talking about this since the early 2000's. They have repeated said that they'd like to get Russia into another Afghanistan type war to weaken them. They have even mentioned Ukraine as a possibility back then. Within a few weeks of the war, they openly said they were trying to weaken Russia. I remember it clearly, I wrote here on the forum that the US was trying to weaken Russia and was told I was crazy then within a week of me writing that, it was openly said by one of our government officials, and I posted it (and it was met by silence). I've seen conservative publications repeatedly write articles about this being a proxy war, where are you getting your information? Fox news? We had sanctions already lined up and waiting, these crazies in the State Department thought they could break Russia with sanctions. Ukraine at the time was the second strongest army in Europe only Turkey was stronger. They were convinced that they could crush the Russian economy and remove Putin. What are we on now, sanctions 11? This is a Biden administration proxy war, just look at how much he sends and keeps sending. If he fails, which he looks to be doing in flying colors, you could see the breakup of Nato. This, by the way, is why Putin is moving slow. The longer the west beats its head against the wall the more likely Nato will fall, the less threat they will be to Russia. Do you remember what the first head of Nato said its purpose was? To keep the US in power, Russia out of power, and Germany down. Jens Stoltenburg the head of Nato just recently admitted that the reason for the Russian military operation in Ukraine was to prevent Nato from being on their border. It was defensive, nothing to do with past glory. Which Putin himself has said he has no intention of reforming the old USSR. He said it is impossible. Neither the Russian people want it nor the old members of the USSR. That story is neocon propaganda. He did say the fall of the USSR was a tragedy, many elderly died with lack of medicine, families separated, and it plunged the nations into terrible suffering. It would have been better to have a smooth transition not a sudden collapse. They always leave that part out and cherry pick statements. Let me tell you the sad part, you have a closed mind, you refuse to look at all the evidence, you only look at what you want to believe. I was brought up believing the Russians were evil, but I was willing to challenge what i was told, to walk in another man's shoes for a bit and look from his point of view. If you place yourself in Russia, and look from a Russian point of view you can see why they are like they are. Constantly invaded from Europe. Hitler, Napolean, Sweden, Poland. Poland even put a prince on the throne in Moscow at one point. Forced to burn fields and cities to stop the invasions, fight in trenches till they freeze to death defending their women and children. Now they see Nato pushing east, bringing weapons with them what else do you think they are going to believe? They see Nato people post maps of how they want to break up Russia, rob her of her natural resources, leave her people in poverty, to them it is another enemy. Putin was stationed in Germany, he liked the west, he wanted to be friends, yet every time he extended his hand in friendship, it was batted away, and he got spit in his face. He offered to join the EU, He offered to join Nato, you'd think it would be easier to influence a friend rather than an enemy, but we wanted and enemy. You see without a Russian boogie man there was no need of Nato, and Nato is how we keep our thumb on Europe as a vassal of ours. It is all about maintaining our power.
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Post by sunny225 on Sept 13, 2023 0:37:33 GMT
If The US Really Was What It Pretends To Be by Caitlin Johnstone Caitlin Johnstone It’s wild to consider how many of the world’s problems would not exist if the US really was the thing it advertises itself as. Ukraine would not be at war right now, because the US empire would not have provoked that war, since the US really would be an upholder of peace and international order. The world would not be staring down the barrel of nuclear armageddon, because the US really would be a normal country that respects the sovereignty of other nations instead of the hub of a globe-spanning undeclared empire which keeps ramping up aggression against nuclear-armed states who refuse to consent to its planetary rule. China would not be preparing for war, because the US military really would be used for the defense of the United States instead of rapidly encircling the US empire’s top geopolitical rival with massive amounts of war machinery. The middle east would not have spent the 21st century being ripped to pieces by western aggression, because the US really would care about the lives of the people who live there and not just pretend to in order to promote regime change interventionism. Mountains of human corpses would not have been amassed in Yemen by violence, starvation and disease, because the US really would oppose tyrannical dictatorships like Saudi Arabia instead of enthusiastically facilitating their war crimes. The information ecosystem of the western world would not be strangled by empire propaganda, internet censorship and Silicon Valley algorithm manipulation, because the US really would value free speech and free thought instead of churning out a continual barrage of mass-scale psychological operations designed to dominate the way people think, speak, work, act and vote. Julian Assange would not be languishing in prison, because the US really would support press freedoms instead of working to set a legal precedent normalizing the persecution of journalists for reporting inconvenient facts. The people of the United States would not be floundering in poverty and broken infrastructure, because they really would live in a democracy that allows them to influence government policy instead of an oligarchy rigged to benefit the rich and powerful at the expense of normal human beings. The US would not be a tyrannical police state with the largest incarceration rate on the planet, because the US government really would care about civil rights and liberty instead of only caring about the profits that can be harvested via prison slavery and private prisons from those citizens who don’t make good cogs in the capitalist machine. Developing nations would be thriving a lot more, because the US really would support their national sovereignty and independence instead of doing whatever’s necessary to facilitate the imperialist extraction of their wealth. Human civilization would be far more just and equitable than it currently is, because the US really would value every nation’s right to forge its own path, and therefore would not have spent generations aggressively stomping out every attempt to move toward socialism everywhere in the world. The planet would not be circled by hundreds of foreign US military bases and continually terrorized by US wars of aggression, proxy conflicts, CIA coups and starvation sanctions, because all the US government secrecy which makes this malfeasance possible wouldn’t exist, since the US really would value truth and transparency instead of power and domination. The world would be a much more healthy and harmonious place if the US really was the peace-loving, tyranny-opposing democracy that it and all its propaganda systems frame it as. But because the US government is actually the most tyrannical regime on earth and values nothing apart from its own ability to dominate as many members of the human species as possible, we live in a world of far greater peril and abuse than we otherwise would. I write so much about the US empire because that’s just what you find yourself doing when you set out to describe the problems of our world with an open mind; trace those problems back to their origins, and many of them revolve around this strange and profoundly abusive power structure which manages to evade much criticism and scrutiny because it has the most sophisticated soft power narrative control systems ever devised. The US empire depends on keeping the world asleep to its abusiveness. And the world depends on everyone waking up to it. soundcloud.com/going_rogue/if-the-us-really-was-what-it?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Sept 13, 2023 0:51:38 GMT
blackfeather, Sorry, but that's pure bull crap. The world, including the US, couldn'care less what Russia does in it's own borders. The Russian paranoia, combined with it's historical claims of empire and greatness, drives it to see everything adjoining countries do as a threat to its future power. I'm still waiting to see links, prior to 2014, of any genocide in Donbass or the other areas Putin claimed Russian speakers were being murdered for speaking Russian, can't find any? Well, you suppose maybe those claims might be propaganda? As to Ukraine's resistance to being a vassal of Russia, there are hundreds of thousand of Ukrainians who lost grandparents to Stalin's Holodomor killing an estimated 5 million Ukrainians. Gee, you suppose there might be a few grudges still held? Supporting the Nazis in WWII would sort of make sense in that light, wouldn't it? At any rate, neither nation is pure as driven snow, but Ukraine was not threat to Russia, no matter if it joined the EU, or even NATO who both declined them. Nope it was the loss of a vassal state that Putin couldn't allow.
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Sept 13, 2023 1:05:47 GMT
sunny225, Okay, so were supposed to believe all the world's problems are caused by the US? That's sure what that anti-American diatribe sounds like. If we're supposed to accept socialism surrounding us, and enemies within pushing towards it, I guess we should just accept the yoke of socialism and believe all the slogans of a better life that's never happened under that system. There is such a thing as protecting national security, meaning keeping the oppression and tyranny of socialism at bay. The author couldn't sound more America hating if she tried. Perfect? Not by a very long shot, but there are things we as Christians should morally oppose. How we oppose them may be flawed, but opposing them is still necessary from a moral point of view. What I got from the article is America is terrible, while no suggestion to fixing it other than the thinly veiled assertion that somehow socialism is the answer. It's not, the 150 million in the last century killed by the utopia of socialism aren't available for comment.
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